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RawandKurdistani
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Jul 21 14, 5:13
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In the words of an American(also known as Gary Brecher, the well known "War Nerd") who taught at the AUIS in Slemani.

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Everyone looked around furtively, checking out their neighbors’ attire. But there were no tank tops, sleeveless t-shirts, or other beachwear in evidence. In fact, our female students dressed much more provocatively than women faculty. The rule in Suli seemed to be that as long as the skin is covered, anything goes, including skintight black leotards.
http://exiledonline.com/neocon-like-me-how-i-spent-a-year-in-iraq-teaching-with-the-bush-cheney-crazies/

You accuse WW2boy of having a wild imagination, but the evidence seems to support his claims, and not yours.

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Well let me remind you that Barzani, the leader of PDK, doesn't want his wife and daughters to be seen on any kind of media...
Which is an embarrassment when even the Islamist Erdogan allows his wife to be seen. Are you insinuating that you approve of this?
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his desire to see Kurdistan being emptied of it's traditions and it's spirit.
Islamic phobia for human sexuality is not my tradition and spirit, and nor of my Alevi Dersimi ancestors. If Kurdistan is to be inclusive of all Kurdish components you're going to have to be more accommodating of people like me who were never brought up with this crap.

By the way, your attitude spits on millenia-old Kurdish folkore which does celebrate human sexuality and romance quite openly. I can produce sources proving this if you so wish, but wouldn't that be sad when every Kurd with an interest in his culture is supposed to know that.
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In the words of an American(also known as Gary Brecher, the well known "War Nerd") who taught at the AUIS in Slemani.

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Everyone looked around furtively, checking out their neighbors’ attire. But there were no tank tops, sleeveless t-shirts, or other beachwear in evidence. In fact, our female students dressed much more provocatively than women faculty. The rule in Suli seemed to be that as long as the skin is covered, anything goes, including skintight black leotards.
http://exiledonline.com/neocon-like-me-how-i-spent-a-year-in-iraq-teaching-with-the-bush-cheney-crazies/

You accuse WW2boy of having a wild imagination, but the evidence seems to support his claims, and not yours.


You know what? I still don't believe it, but since I don't have my evidence to prove it, I'm gonna let you get away with it this time, congratulations. If this is actually the case, then we will make sure to fully re-kurdify those who have lost touch with Kurdish values, first just allow SK to actually become independent.
HOWEVER, I will point out that this was the American university Of Slemani

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Which is an embarrassment when even the Islamist Erdogan allows his wife to be seen. Are you insinuating that you approve of this?


It's his choice, why should he show off the females in his family, just because Erdogan does so? The last time I checked we weren't Turks, we're Kurds, and we have our own way of living.

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Islamic phobia for human sexuality is not my tradition and spirit, and nor of my Alevi Dersimi ancestors. If Kurdistan is to be inclusive of all Kurdish components you're going to have to be more accommodating of people like me who were never brought up with this crap.


People like you? I was born in western society too you know, I've spent my entire life here, and I say as long as you're into social liberalism, then you should stay in the West, when you're ready to settle down, then move to Kurdistan, that's what I tell myself.
Secondly, Islam does not have a problem with human sexuality, it just says that you must not abuse it.


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By the way, your attitude spits on millenia-old Kurdish folkore which does celebrate human sexuality and romance quite openly. I can produce sources proving this if you so wish, but wouldn't that be sad when every Kurd with an interest in his culture is supposed to know that.


No please, let me see the sources.
I am confused by God's wisdom:
In this world of States
Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed,
What for have they all become fugitives, condemned?


Ahmad Khani

Feed the hungry and visit a sick person
And free the captive
If he be unjustly confined
Assist any person oppressed
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HOWEVER, I will point out that this was the American university Of Slemani
The paragraph clearly referred to Slemani as an entire city, not just that university. Just admit that the evidence is 100% against you.
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If this is actually the case, then we will make sure to fully re-kurdify those who have lost touch with Kurdish values, first just allow SK to actually become independent.
Good luck, don't forget to obtain Mullah Krekar's contact details because you will dearly need them.
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It's his choice, why should he show off the females in his family, just because Erdogan does so?
No, because almost the entire world does so, and deviating is seen as paranoid, irrational and oppressive. As the Japanese saying goes, "a nail that sticks out gets hammered on".

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The last time I checked we weren't Turks, we're Kurds, and we have our own way of living.
Turks also wear clothes. Should we start running around naked? They also breathe. Should we stop breathing?

Anyway, I refer you back to my earlier comment, which was aimed at you.

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If you have this typical Kurdish complex that "everything our enemies do or are, we must avoid, or do the opposite to them" then you end up in a logical contradiction since both secularists and Islamists have attacked us.


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People like you? I was born in western society too you know,
My point was that I hail from a region of Kurdistan where people don't practice the kind of conservative culture you're thinking of, and sure as hell have no intention of adopting it, as you would probably love them to. As AlanJ stated previously, this is a perfectly normal sight on the banks of the Munzur river in Dersim, as much as it may pain you.

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Western society has nothing to do with it.

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No please, let me see the sources.


You asked for it. Prepare to be educated on your own culture.

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Love is part of the nature of Kurdish society. Every song, poem even the national ones are about love and women. There is no restriction on poems talking about love and the female body. I believe Kurdish songs are the most erotic in the Middle East.


http://www.kwahk.org/articles.asp?id=33

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Paritzan you can take your erotic stuff to a porn site not KSS.

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Jul 21 14, 6:06
Paritzan you can take your erotic stuff to a porn site not KSS.
You clearly have no idea what belongs on a porn site. haha
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“O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful” [Al-Ahzaab 33:59]

“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means....” [An-Nisa 4:34]

These two quotes go against Kurdish way of life and including the Kurdish struggle!

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Paritzan you can take your erotic stuff to a porn site not KSS.
You clearly have no idea what belongs on a porn site. haha
Bro i dont give a fk take your shizz to pornhub.

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Partizan is right, Kurdish culture is expressed through music, and music gives a picture of culture. Eroticism is part of Kurdistan, but not as the West depict it. Even ancient Kurdish artifacts show the core of interplay between men and women was erotic in a sense. Watch our old pictures. I also read that prohibition of sexual acts or just being touchy between men and women is allowed before marriage only if you love each other...the other thing is pure hadith which Quranists deny and sometimes see it as spreading of Arab nationalism
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Bro i dont give a fk take your shizz to pornhub.
Who said I am your "bro"? Do f**k off if you have nothing intelligent to contribute. Crawl back to the medrese where I bet you received your education.
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Jul 21 14, 6:49
“O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful” [Al-Ahzaab 33:59]

“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means....” [An-Nisa 4:34]

These two quotes go against Kurdish way of life and including the Kurdish struggle!

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Funny how you forget this:

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Say to the believing men that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts; that is purer for them; surely Allah is Aware of what they do.
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I suppose this is against Kurdish traditions too then.

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Look at those whores wearing tight clothes and going against Kurdish traditions.
Azamat to tell you the truth, I wouldn't call that "revealing". Yeh sure her hair isn't covered, but frankly regardless of religious beliefs women and men should cover themselves for modesty purposes. Or else we'd end up like Britain or the USA.
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Anyone who supports liberalism, you are my enemy. Honestly I'm not going to phrase it diplomatically, but you are the enemy of the Kurdish nation.
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Azamat to tell you the truth, I wouldn't call that "revealing".
What about the clothes they are wearing? Surely they are too form-fitting for Rawand's preferences?

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Yeh sure her hair isn't covered, but frankly regardless of religious beliefs women and men should cover themselves for modesty purposes. Or else we'd end up like Britain or the USA.
If some of the members on here had their way, Kurdish women would be forbidden from wearing the kind of clothes that Western women wore in the 1950s. Not even close to what they wear now.
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Azamat to tell you the truth, I wouldn't call that "revealing".
What about the clothes they are wearing? Surely they are too form-fitting for Rawand's preferences?

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Yeh sure her hair isn't covered, but frankly regardless of religious beliefs women and men should cover themselves for modesty purposes. Or else we'd end up like Britain or the USA.
If some of the members on here had their way, Kurdish women would be forbidden from wearing the kind of clothes that Western women wore in the 1950s. Not even close to what they wear now.
Remember their clothing was a product of Liberalism. It's best we stick to our traditional clothing. Prohibition on both men and women in all aspects of life in relation to non-traditionalist aspects of our culture that newly exist must be removed at all cost. That includes foreign clothing that is "western" in style.
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Notice 1950s American's clothing, purely designed to promote sexual promiscuity bewteen people. As well as objectifcation of women, and we cannot tolerate such a thing. Our women are far more superior than that.

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Partizan is right, Kurdish culture is expressed through music, and music gives a picture of culture. Eroticism is part of Kurdistan, but not as the West depict it. Even ancient Kurdish artifacts show the core of interplay between men and women was erotic in a sense. Watch our old pictures. I also read that prohibition of sexual acts or just being touchy between men and women is allowed before marriage only if you love each other...the other thing is pure hadith which Quranists deny and sometimes see it as spreading of Arab nationalism
That's talking bewteen a man and wife, that's a different story entirely.
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“O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful” [Al-Ahzaab 33:59]

“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means....” [An-Nisa 4:34]

These two quotes go against Kurdish way of life and including the Kurdish struggle!

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Funny how you forget this:

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Say to the believing men that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts; that is purer for them; surely Allah is Aware of what they do.
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That has nothing to do with my point, and that is just something that is practised in 99.99% of the world's societies. I am waiting for a proper response. Those Islamic traditions (or musts) go against our Kurdish ones. And if you go against anything that Islam states, then do not call yourself a Muslim.
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Notice 1950s American's clothing, purely designed to promote sexual promiscuity bewteen people. As well as objectifcation of women, and we cannot tolerate such a thing. Our women are far more superior than that.

Actually heval, that is just fashion and wasn't affordable for 90% of Americans. So that is not really the average American's clothing.
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Anyone who supports liberalism, you are my enemy. Honestly I'm not going to phrase it diplomatically, but you are the enemy of the Kurdish nation.
Yes, that's definitely true. Apart from all this clothing debate here.

Liberalism is the biggest cancer in human history, and especially to our nation. It's the reason for extreme capitalism, , wars, crimes , making humans to sex objects, total destruction of all ethical values and the reason as well, why our nation suffered so much and why we are stateless.


As a left-wing patriot I'm saying. May God keep out this very dirty cancer from Kurdistan.
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Partizan is right, Kurdish culture is expressed through music, and music gives a picture of culture. Eroticism is part of Kurdistan, but not as the West depict it. Even ancient Kurdish artifacts show the core of interplay between men and women was erotic in a sense. Watch our old pictures. I also read that prohibition of sexual acts or just being touchy between men and women is allowed before marriage only if you love each other...the other thing is pure hadith which Quranists deny and sometimes see it as spreading of Arab nationalism
That's talking bewteen a man and wife, that's a different story entirely.
I have noticed ever since ISIS take-over, you JJ have become more religious than ever, I hope it won't make you a pan-Iranist again. No, it's not for talking, it's for touching, women and men are allowed to touch each other as long as they love each other, but you can't buy a hooker
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The paragraph clearly referred to Slemani as an entire city, not just that university. Just admit that the evidence is 100% against you.


Once again, we will fix those people in Slemani, only those that have chosen the wrong path, otherwise they can keep living as they do, but better not try to spread this bullsh*t to us.

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Good luck, don't forget to obtain Mullah Krekar's contact details because you will dearly need them.


Mullah Krekar can stay in his cell in Norway, my goal is to protect Kurdish values, not impose Sharia law on Kurdistan, I'm sorry if you think so.

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No, because almost the entire world does so, and deviating is seen as paranoid, irrational and oppressive. As the Japanese saying goes, "a nail that sticks out gets hammered on".


Nobody cares about what the rest of the world does! Because we are Kurds, it's not as if we have to follow everything the international community does. This just sounds like a sad excuse to destroy the traditional values of Kurdistan, but i'll bet you've never spent much time in Kurdistan, if you had you'd know that this will never be a succes.

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Turks also wear clothes. Should we start running around naked? They also breathe. Should we stop breathing?

Anyway, I refer you back to my earlier comment, which was aimed at you.

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If you have this typical Kurdish complex that "everything our enemies do or are, we must avoid, or do the opposite to them" then you end up in a logical contradiction since both secularists and Islamists have attacked us.


I didn't say any of that, please take another look at my comment, I stated that we don't need to do everything like the Turks, I didn't say we must avoid everything they practice, god punish me if I ever turn into such a racist. My point right from the beginning was that people who vote for nationalistic parties can be just as religious as those that don't, including the leader of the greatest nationalistic party of them all.

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My point was that I hail from a region of Kurdistan where people don't practice the kind of conservative culture you're thinking of, and sure as hell have no intention of adopting it, as you would probably love them to. As AlanJ stated previously, this is a perfectly normal sight on the banks of the Munzur river in Dersim, as much as it may pain you.

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Western society has nothing to do with it.


Your region is very rare I have to say then, I hope you can accept living in a country with a conservative population filling somewhere between 90 - 95 % of the population.
And let me tell you something, Western society does actually have something to do with it. Did Kurds lie half naked on beaches before this became popular in the western world? Of course not, does it go against Kurdish traditions? Hell yeah it does. What are we to do about it? Nothing, it's a small population, do such a thing here in Hewler and chances are you'll end up behind bars.

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Love is part of the nature of Kurdish society. Every song, poem even the national ones are about love and women. There is no restriction on poems talking about love and the female body. I believe Kurdish songs are the most erotic in the Middle East.


http://www.kwahk.org/articles.asp?id=33

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Is that your evidence? Oh for the love of god, I thought you were talking about the stuff of freaking Dr.Dre. There's nothing wrong in singing about love, and there's nothing wrong in admitting that you are sexually attracted to women, it's freaking natural! What is wrong however is wearing revealing clothes in public, premarital intercourse, prostitution etc. That is what I find wrong, don't you honestly believe that I don't talk now and then? Of course I do, but it doesn't get physical, that's the important part.
Edited by RawandKurdistani, Jul 21 14, 9:14.
I am confused by God's wisdom:
In this world of States
Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed,
What for have they all become fugitives, condemned?


Ahmad Khani

Feed the hungry and visit a sick person
And free the captive
If he be unjustly confined
Assist any person oppressed
Whether Muslim or non-Muslim


- Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH)


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Azamat to tell you the truth, I wouldn't call that "revealing".
What about the clothes they are wearing? Surely they are too form-fitting for Rawand's preferences?

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Yeh sure her hair isn't covered, but frankly regardless of religious beliefs women and men should cover themselves for modesty purposes. Or else we'd end up like Britain or the USA.
If some of the members on here had their way, Kurdish women would be forbidden from wearing the kind of clothes that Western women wore in the 1950s. Not even close to what they wear now.
By Kurdish traditions, I believe that a woman has the right to reveal her legs all the way to the knee, however it's to be below the knee, the knees themselves must not be visible. And their arms may be revealed all the way up to the elbow. This is probably the most liberal you're gonna get in Kurdish society though (excluding a few communities)
Furthermore, why must Kurdish women wear Western clothing to begin with? You act as if our own traditional clothing is useless.
Edited by RawandKurdistani, Jul 21 14, 9:15.
I am confused by God's wisdom:
In this world of States
Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed,
What for have they all become fugitives, condemned?


Ahmad Khani

Feed the hungry and visit a sick person
And free the captive
If he be unjustly confined
Assist any person oppressed
Whether Muslim or non-Muslim


- Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH)


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I suppose this is against Kurdish traditions too then.

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Look at those whores wearing tight clothes and going against Kurdish traditions.
That's not tight man.
I am confused by God's wisdom:
In this world of States
Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed,
What for have they all become fugitives, condemned?


Ahmad Khani

Feed the hungry and visit a sick person
And free the captive
If he be unjustly confined
Assist any person oppressed
Whether Muslim or non-Muslim


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