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| jjmuneer | Jan 26 15, 3:45 Post #51 |
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Look I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. I simply disagree with pre-marital sex. However why I'm angry is the reasoning "Kurdish culture", it really isn't. Girlfriend and boyfriend, fine, but as you know in the west alot of these relationships are not revolved around long-term partnerships but sex or pleasure. True at the end of the day do what you like. |
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| RawandKurdistani | Jan 26 15, 3:58 Post #52 |
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Listen buddy, you have no sense of morality in your life, you’re the last of people that should make anyone feel bad about anything at all. Now listen to me and listen closely, for you’re either forcing yourself into avoided my ideas, or you’re really just not a good listener, or perhaps I should say reader. Nowhere have I ever said that I would ban premarital sexual intercourse, I never said, show me where if you disagree about this statement. Assuming I would I still couldn’t, this is not like telling people to wear a certain kind of clothing in society, this would be much harder to control, plus the problem won’t go away if you force people to avoid doing x things, because their desire to do so will still be there, I can’t control that, none can control that. I believe the key to success is educating people, I want people to understand why x things are not good for them, that is the key to success. I don’t believe people will be deprived of sex to the point where they choose to go for such, I find it more likely that promiscuity will lead to homosexuality, for eventually you will get tired of what you’ve enjoyed in many forms, and then you’ll want more, you’ll seek other ways of satisfaction. Finally, “Islamism” is getting so tiresome, you really don’t have anything else to call me? |
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I am confused by God's wisdom: In this world of States Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed, What for have they all become fugitives, condemned? Ahmad Khani Feed the hungry and visit a sick person And free the captive If he be unjustly confined Assist any person oppressed Whether Muslim or non-Muslim - Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) | |
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| RawandKurdistani | Jan 26 15, 3:59 Post #53 |
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Oh I do believe in science, It would be blasphemy for a Muslim not to seek knowledge, but science that actually makes sense. It makes no sense that men and women should get tired of each other after the 4th year, I’ve seen more than enough couples that still live happy together after 30+ years of marriage. But of course if you’ve had a sexually liberal lifestyle before marriage, I can surely understand that you would have a hard time getting used to settling down. As for science that wants me to believe that my ancestors were monkeys... no, just no. Not even science, It's a myth, a theory If you will. People can be monkeys all they want, I'm not one of them. Edited by RawandKurdistani, Jan 26 15, 4:33.
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I am confused by God's wisdom: In this world of States Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed, What for have they all become fugitives, condemned? Ahmad Khani Feed the hungry and visit a sick person And free the captive If he be unjustly confined Assist any person oppressed Whether Muslim or non-Muslim - Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) | |
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| RawandKurdistani | Jan 26 15, 4:07 Post #54 |
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You know I feel that Europe was honestly a much more beautiful place before this curse known as the sexual liberation came in and destroyed all their values. I’m just going to tell you people, I honestly find a woman that holds herself back to be far more attractive than a slut in tight jeans and t-shirt (not saying all women in such clothing are sluts) whom most of you people would likely find attractive. I mean It seems some of you are fine about ending up with women that have slept with multiple men before you, so go ahead and take those women. But anyway, I agree with JJ that there's no point in continually spreading the message, whatever you people do will be your own downfall, and If you think that I want to control you (even though I actually want to help you) then go ahead and think so, I won't feel the consequences of your actions, so perhaps It's about time I also let it go. Edited by RawandKurdistani, Jan 26 15, 4:10.
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I am confused by God's wisdom: In this world of States Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed, What for have they all become fugitives, condemned? Ahmad Khani Feed the hungry and visit a sick person And free the captive If he be unjustly confined Assist any person oppressed Whether Muslim or non-Muslim - Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) | |
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| lashgare | Feb 6 15, 1:38 Post #55 |
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Freedom does not equal emulating western model of culture. There is a conceptual difference having liberty and adopting western political systems and social culture. I'm against people replacing kurdish and west-asian culture under some false guise of "Liberty". Westerners do not make provisions for our identity and culture, like some people do here. I do not accept stupidity form kurds who use "freedom and liberty" in the guise of just adopting western social culture. If you want to intercourse with your neighbours daughter... just say so, don't call it freedom/liberty. freedom/liberty is meaningless, since societies are normative, not objective. They're formed by what is socially-acceptable/the norms of it's times. Not by "Liberty or freedom".
Everything is culturally loaded. You're only fine saying this because you know your culture isn't competed against or being imposed on by a different cultural entity. But you'd give a damn, if kurds or any other cultural sphere started influencing your town and changing the social culture/symbolism/institutions and its underlying elements. So if a community of kurds moved into your neighbourhood, and started changing stuff. You'd be ok with kurds buying/voting to create a kurdish tribal federation in vancouver? With our clans ruling your lands and dictating your laws? You'd be ok with that? I highly doubt it, I think most western people would not like the notion of having their culture, institutions and norms replaced by one created by west-asians or any other group. Also "civilized" is another loaded term. They're your norms/laws/values, but that doesn't mean they're superior to what's in kurdistan or the rest of the world. You say that anyone is free to practice and follow what they want. But in reality and practice, humans and society is normative, it's not done by some sort of objective consent, atleast not fully. And there are still limits, imposed by the normative culture. Freedom and what's socially/normatively acceptable, and trends lay and remove restrictions. That there is some form of objective laws and principles, uninfluenced by external factors and human factors, is entirely mythical. That's the thing with some western concepts. There is a objective abstract description and narration of laws and principles, but they work entirely different in reality and practice. So while westerners might say that they have freedom, they do not, because they are subject to norms/notions that make up their society. And when westerners claim that their culture is universal, it's also an abstraction. Like saying "Justice is blind". I don't blame you, you're speaking from the confines of your own culture, and it's comfortable position. Shariah is one religious judicial dimension. But kurdish society is more complex than that. Alot of kurds with inferiority complex . I can't believe people here take the side of someone elses culture over their own. Just look a what some people said, the terms they use"civilzed versus shariah law". Where is everyones pride and identity? Do you think europeans would say "Kurdish modus operandi of things are better, european culture is uncivilized". Everyone here is sharp when it comes to hating every neighbour around them, but they have absolutely no sense of self-perservation when it comes to outside influences, no consciousness in their identity. Kurdishness takes a hollow form, it only means to hate/kill arabs/persians/turks, but other than that, the meaning of culture and identity has no value here. The rest is just cheap imitation of a perceived superior other. What does kurdishness mean in this forum anyway? Looking at military hardware, hating arabs/persians/turks, being happy when ISIS gets killed. But what makes kurdishness truly escapes me. People here don't even know what makes their identity unique and worthy of safe-guarding. What makes us any different from our neighbours, besides our history as underdogs? What does kurdishness even mean, when you can't even challenge the notions of a foreigner, your own opinion is basically a reiteration of it. That's what kurdishness has become, some hollow nationalism, , with cheap western-inspired wrapping. Kurds only exist to hate arabs/turks/persians and to copy the west. I have more respect for religious people here, since they have a better and more cogent sense of their identity than most people here. Edited by lashgare, Feb 7 15, 3:50.
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| Diako | Feb 6 15, 5:23 Post #56 |
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Wow professor rawand you've done it again your logic is amazing. So that means ISIS does a 'properly done job' because they receive so much hate?? I forgot your Islamic ideas prevent you from using logic herp derp how dumb of me... |
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| RawandKurdistani | Feb 6 15, 10:29 Post #57 |
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Not necessarily, you have to compare me with IS. What do I receive hate for, and what do they receive hate for? IS are brutal, senseless, heartless, the only thing they know is killing. I think logically, I dislike what harms you, I dislike what harms others, I dislike what may affect your life negatively, yet I receive the hate for simply saying "Don't take whatever fun you see, life is about responsibility, not constant enjoyment" I get hate for simply telling the truth, that much of what you find fun in life is actually bad for you, do we not agree that narcotics are bad for you, even though you may feel great by taking them? Edited by RawandKurdistani, Feb 6 15, 10:31.
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I am confused by God's wisdom: In this world of States Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed, What for have they all become fugitives, condemned? Ahmad Khani Feed the hungry and visit a sick person And free the captive If he be unjustly confined Assist any person oppressed Whether Muslim or non-Muslim - Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) | |
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| Worldwar2boy | Feb 6 15, 11:00 Post #58 |
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Her biji Japonistan ! |
| biji kurd u kurdistan !! | |
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| lashgare | Feb 7 15, 3:10 Post #59 |
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lol... rawand-hating here for no apparent reason. Are you too insecure to have a mature debate? You're very ignorant of theology for someone who is against religion. I haven't seen a single one of your criticisms containing actual genuine scholarly-based content. All your arguments so far have been along the lines of "F**k islam, it's a camelfucker religion by sandnigger arabs, true kurdish religion is master-aryan", much like the backward people in washington who decided kurdish lives were cheap in comparison to their geopolitical interests with saddam, a few decades ago. And no one here has actually answered my questions so far. What is kurdishness? Does it mean a chronic hatred of anything that has to do with turks/arabs/persians, nationalism and westernization? Edited by lashgare, Feb 7 15, 3:40.
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| RawandKurdistani | Feb 7 15, 4:14 Post #60 |
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Oh there is a reason, they want unlimited access to prostitutes in Kurdistan and turn our women into sluts, and they can't handle anyone or anything that believe this is wrong.
Edited by RawandKurdistani, Feb 7 15, 4:16.
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I am confused by God's wisdom: In this world of States Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed, What for have they all become fugitives, condemned? Ahmad Khani Feed the hungry and visit a sick person And free the captive If he be unjustly confined Assist any person oppressed Whether Muslim or non-Muslim - Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) | |
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| dgt | Feb 8 15, 8:47 Post #61 |
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kurdishness means to hate arabs/persians/turks? if they treated us like we were a part of the "ummah" and not like "kuffar" maybe this nationalism wouldn't be a big deal for kurds. when kurds fought for the ottoman caliphate arabs, jews and assyrians fought for the British the same people that created Israel. and arabs have the audacity to call kurds traitors,zionists or other names. and we fought for the turks and they repaid with genocide,massacres,destroying villages, relocate, imprison..and when Khomeini asked kurds to fight for him, kurds fought for him, he repaid by killing kurds. kurdishness is our Culture, language, etc and don't try to make it synonymous with the way we feel about our neigbours. some kurds have a great hatred against them but most kurds are frustrated they just want their basic human rights ATLEAST! South Kurdistan may have autonomy but they are bullied by the iraqi government, and no one bats an eye. they kill us whether we are sunnis,shia,liberal,communist but when it's something they need help with kurds have to join because it's their fight aswell. many kurds including my relatives have been victims of these crimes and they still don't hate them. the hate from arabs/turks/persians are far greater than the hate from kurds towards them. |
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| lashgare | Feb 8 15, 9:10 Post #62 |
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You didn't get the gist of my post at all. Re-read what I wrote. |
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| Worldwar2boy | Feb 8 15, 4:50 Post #63 |
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So Peshmerga protecting Kurdistan want to turn Kurdish women into sluts? You are protecting ISIS. It's obvious, you are an Islamist. You have absolutely zero understanding for, or connection to, the Kurdish cause. You breath Islam and Arab desert culture. A few days ago you said you were saddened. I bet you are saddened because your friends (Daesh dogs) are getting slaughtered. Go to an Islamic forum or something, you're only here to promote islam (and none of us are interested). |
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| Ali Alqosh | Feb 20 15, 8:41 Post #64 |
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Your double standards are on another level keko...
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| Partizan | Feb 24 15, 2:44 Post #65 |
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My main problem with your argument is that the cultural modes and 'identity' you see as defining 'Kurdishness' are not differentiated much between groups. You alluded to this yourself by referring to it as 'West Asian culture'. You say that to sleep with your neighbour's daughter is not part of Kurdish culture, but Kurds have this in common with all other groups in the region(including the non-Muslims). Neither sleeping with your neighbour's daughter or refraining from that can be a distinctly 'Kurdish' attribute, unless our attitude to this is an anomaly in the region. Ethnic cultures that are fundamentally different in their way of life (such as Japan or pre-Christian Ireland) are rare, and they mostly owe it to insular geography. Like it or not, but most of the culture that differentiates ethnic groups is 'superficial' such as folklore or ritual traditions. Therefore, such cultural norms as on marriage/reproduction must be defended on some other merit than being 'Kurdish', because they're not. If Kurds were to adopt the culture of Europeans in this respect(which is undifferentiated among Europeans too, and they also used to be conservative like us) as some Kurdish 'progressives' would like us to, you may find much to criticise in that but it would scarcely be a loss of Kurdish heritage and culture. Culture is a group survival strategy (even nonsense like myths or superstitions have their functions of facilitating social cohesion) and by assessing how well it serves that purpose, I think an objective evaluation of culture is possible(with the inevitable implication that some cultures are indeed 'superior' to others). The optimal 'survival strategy' is guided by many factors like biology, mode of (economic) production and technology, geography etc which are also interwoven. The most important influence on culture is human biology which also sets some universals. An example would be the stigma upon female promiscuity seen in all world cultures: in some primate species like chimpanzees and bonobos, females will mate with many different males which enhances sperm competition and thus improves the genetic quality of the offspring. But because the paternity of the offspring is unknown, no individual male will protect or provide for the offspring as is the case for humans. This is resolved by the fact that their offspring require little rearing and mature quickly, therefore reproduction for those female primates carries little cost and they can do without a male. Humans are the opposite: they trade off genetic quality for monogamous(though not permanent) bonds which enable high-quality and long-term rearing. This is also indicated by the fact that human testicles are proportionally smaller than those of many primate species (though larger than those of strongly polygynous gorillas), i.e. there is medium-low sperm competition. So you see, the stigma upon female promiscuity is there because humans evolved to be like this, human offspring requires too much parental investment for humans to mate like chimpanzees or bonobos. I'm giving that example because it ties in to what I have to say about 'sleeping with your neighbour's daughter', or premarital intercourse in general(which is what I'm assuming it refers to). There is greater need for sexual attraction and 'love' in a monogamous bond for it to be maintained than in promiscuous arrangements. So unlike promiscuous species, intercourse has a secondary function in humans as a bonding mechanism besides its primary function of procreating. There are other monogamous mammals like wolves in which similar bonding behavior can be observed. But enforcing virginity before marriage undermines this natural need and reduces the chances of people finding a mate they are sexually suited to, and ergo the success of a relationship. It's contrary to the sociobiological purpose of marriage which is to reduce the likelihood of the parental bond our offspring needs from breaking up. Proponents will argue that females who can't keep their virginity before marriage are more likely to cheat and jeapordize the marriage, but they get it completely wrong because the male usually affected by this is not a random boy she would have a one time intercourse with but her prospective husband. The inability to find a sexually suited mate this causes in fact increases the likelihood of both partners to be disappointed and cheat. In my opinion, people should be compelled to marry by their community only when the female is made pregnant. This is most consistent with the biology of humans. On an unrelated note, I also don't care for any legal baggage to marriage which is a recent Western addition. It is a social contract and a one-time ceremony, nothing more. No unified bank accounts or that kind of crap. Edited by Partizan, Feb 24 15, 4:08.
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| jjmuneer | Feb 24 15, 5:00 Post #66 |
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Partizan the thing is you thinking of the human being on a very bare and animalistic level. Negating human consciousness and the ability for humans to refrain from our "animalistic side" is something that seperates us from the animals*. Not that I'm saying one cannot have relationships pre-marriage, but simply in relation to your reasoning. That is all.
Edited by jjmuneer, Feb 24 15, 5:07.
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