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Turkish general election 2015; Coverage of the election, in particular to the HDP and the Kurdish region
Topic Started: Jun 8 15, 1:21 (43,605 Views)
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HDP is following a strategy. In Kurdistan they are pure Kurdish party obviously, even conservative at times thanks to people like Altan Tan and organisations like Azadi and thus they gained many votes of conservative Kurds this time.

In turkish cities they come across as a left wing liberal party, some even waving the disgusting turkish atagay flags and thus HDP is even gaining votes of Kemalists and turkish leftists.


The most important thing is that all this has to lead to the liberation and success of Kurds and Bakur. That's all what counts at the end of the day.
Edited by Fire, Jun 9 15, 5:16.
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waving atagay flag is the biggest disgrace you can imagine as a kurd.
i saw many turgay and atagay flags even in kurdistan
Edited by Şirnex, Jun 9 15, 5:27.
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Jun 9 15, 5:16
HDP is following a strategy. In Kurdistan they are pure Kurdish party obviously, even conservative at times thanks to people like Altan Tan and organisations like Azadi and thus they gained many votes of conservative Kurds this time.

In turkish cities they come across as a left wing liberal party, some even waving the disgusting turkish atagay flags and thus HDP is even gaining votes of Kemalists and turkish leftists.


The most important thing is that all this has to lead to the liberation and success of Kurds and Bakur. That's all what counts at the end of the day.
Demitras ended off by saying they were now officially a Turkish party..
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Things are changing quickly. Now that Erdogan is no longer powerful the journalists are openly saying that AKP supported ISIS on national TV

CNN Reporters: '' When Erdogan was saying ' Kobane will fall, it is already falling'... This, you can only interpret as if he wishes Kobane to fall and ISIS to win''. HDP has truly liberated those formerly coward and p***y journalists who didnt dare to say a word against Erdogan.
Edited by Tevger, Jun 9 15, 5:39.
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Jun 9 15, 5:30
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Jun 9 15, 5:16
HDP is following a strategy. In Kurdistan they are pure Kurdish party obviously, even conservative at times thanks to people like Altan Tan and organisations like Azadi and thus they gained many votes of conservative Kurds this time.

In turkish cities they come across as a left wing liberal party, some even waving the disgusting turkish atagay flags and thus HDP is even gaining votes of Kemalists and turkish leftists.


The most important thing is that all this has to lead to the liberation and success of Kurds and Bakur. That's all what counts at the end of the day.
Demitras ended off by saying they were now officially a Turkish party..
He is just speaking the truth. All parties in Turkey are turkish parties. Even HAK par and PAK.
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Jun 9 15, 5:38
Things are changing quickly. Now that Erdogan is no longer powerful the journalists are openly saying that AKP supported ISIS on national TV
It seems we're watching the same thing atm. Yeah, apart from the one AKP whore in the middle all others said very clearly that AKP supported Daash.

Apart from that. Watching the analysis, it's very clear now that HDP won most of his votes from AKP. Not just Kurdistan obviously but even in Istanbul.

This can only mean that we won the heart of the religious Kurds this time. That's very very important to know and I expect all HDP politicians to be able to realize that. HDP needs a very strong conservative wing.

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Kemal Pir ( ethnic Turk and co founder of PKK) nephew Ziya Pir has been elected in Amed.

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Kemal Pir ( ethnic Turk and co founder of PKK) nephew Ziya Pir has been elected in Amed.

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I do have respect for these men but Amed should be all kurdish.
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Kemal Pir ( ethnic Turk and co founder of PKK) nephew Ziya Pir has been elected in Amed.

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I do have respect for these men but Amed should be all kurdish.
Kemal Pir lost his life on a death hunger strike in Amed prison mate... I think it is only fair that this guy can be chosen wherever he wants.
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HDP is following a strategy. In Kurdistan they are pure Kurdish party obviously, even conservative at times thanks to people like Altan Tan and organisations like Azadi and thus they gained many votes of conservative Kurds this time.

In turkish cities they come across as a left wing liberal party, some even waving the disgusting turkish atagay flags and thus HDP is even gaining votes of Kemalists and turkish leftists.


The most important thing is that all this has to lead to the liberation and success of Kurds and Bakur. That's all what counts at the end of the day.
Demitras ended off by saying they were now officially a Turkish party..
It doesn't matter what he says. It's the actions that count. It's people like you who bashed this strategy, but end up seeing the fruits of it. What matters is that we must kick all Turkish parties out of Kurdistan. We need to win politically now. What we do and say in Western Turkey does not matter. We're just there to gain votes. Our primary focus is Bakûr and we're doing well de-assimilating our people and getting stronger there.

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There's no such thing as MHP (Igdir) and CHP (Dersim) strongholds in Bakûr anymore. Only AKP. And even they got kicked hard in Bakûr in this election. As the years continue, in Kurdistan, our votes will only increase, and the rest of the three parties decrease. I'm already exicted for the next election to see another difference in votes.

"Kurdino! Bibin yek; eger hûn nebin yek, hûn ê herin yek bi yek." - Cigerxwîn.
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It doesn't matter what he says. It's the actions that count. It's people like you who bashed this strategy, but end up seeing the fruits of it. What matters is that we must kick all Turkish parties out of Kurdistan. We need to win politically now. What we do and say in Western Turkey does not matter. We're just there to gain votes. Our primary focus is Bakûr and we're doing well de-assimilating our people and getting stronger there.

Check this image shared by Tevger:

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There's no such thing as MHP (Igdir) and CHP (Dersim) strongholds in Bakûr anymore. Only AKP. And even they got kicked hard in Bakûr in this election. As the years continue, in Kurdistan, our votes will only increase, and the rest of the three parties decrease. I'm already exicted for the next election to see another difference in votes.

I don't view anything outside of bakur as a win for kurds.
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Kemal Pir ( ethnic Turk and co founder of PKK) nephew Ziya Pir has been elected in Amed.

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I do have respect for these men but Amed should be all kurdish.
I'm sorry heval, but I do not understand these comments. We agree on a lot of things, but this, I don't understand. If they've chosen to fight for Kurdish rights with their lives, who the F**k are we to shun them away, because they're born as "ethnic" Turks? For all we can know, they might have Kurdish, Greek or Armenian roots. And how is that fair for people like Ziya Pir or Figen Yuksekdag, whose family won't even talk to, because she's fighting for Kurds now?

Do you want to start genetical check on every person in Amed, and those that are not Kurds, should be kicked out? Please stop this superiority complex.
"Kurdino! Bibin yek; eger hûn nebin yek, hûn ê herin yek bi yek." - Cigerxwîn.
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There's no such thing as MHP (Igdir) and CHP (Dersim) strongholds in Bakûr anymore. Only AKP. And even they got kicked hard in Bakûr in this election. As the years continue, in Kurdistan, our votes will only increase, and the rest of the three parties decrease. I'm already exicted for the next election to see another difference in votes.

I don't view anything outside of bakur as a win for kurds.
I'm sorry Pker, but please read through this thread for analysis. I don't think you've understood this at all.
"Kurdino! Bibin yek; eger hûn nebin yek, hûn ê herin yek bi yek." - Cigerxwîn.
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I'm sorry Pker, but please read through this thread for analysis. I don't think you've understood this at all.
I understand, but I doubt an AKP and HDP alliance will result in autonomy for bakur. More Kurdish rights at the most, but really what rights are left for kurds in turkey, besides police abuse.
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I'm sorry heval, but I do not understand these comments. We agree on a lot of things, but this, I don't understand. If they've chosen to fight for Kurdish rights with their lives, who the F**k are we to shun them away, because they're born as "ethnic" Turks? For all we can know, they might have Kurdish, Greek or Armenian roots. And how is that fair for people like Ziya Pir or Figen Yuksekdag, whose family won't even talk to, because she's fighting for Kurds now?

Do you want to start genetical check on every person in Amed, and those that are not Kurds, should be kicked out? Please stop this superiority complex.
No. I am tired of kurds doing this shizz. Why Che guevara when we have the legendary Egid? Why Castro and not Qazi Mihemmed? Why some communistlesder and not Apo? Why Mao and not Mustefa Barzani? Why Marx and not Said Kurdi Nursi? Why always foreigneers but not our own?

This is not an superiority conplex but rather a defense mechanism the turks have forced upon us.
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MHP bozkurt scum is insulting Kurds very heavily atm in television. If AKP forms a coalition with MHP, I hightly doubt that there'll be anything left of the peace process. Well, there isn't anything left anyway but it would be definitely over for good. I can even smell something like the 90's then. We would have an ultraconservative-fascist government who's capable of doing anything.


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No. I am tired of kurds doing this shizz. Why Che guevara when we have the legendary Egid? Why Castro and not Qazi Mihemmed? Why some communistlesder and not Apo? Why Mao and not Mustefa Barzani? Why Marx and not Said Kurdi Nursi? Why always foreigneers but not our own?

This is not an superiority conplex but rather a defense mechanism the turks have forced upon us.
Well you got a point

Though I must say not many Kurds, especially those in the West, know about people like Egid or Mama Risha. I am very disappointed that due to the fact that I have difficulty reading Kurdish Sorani script, I am forced to find English source and so I can not find enough details about people like Egid or Mama Risha.
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The PKK supporters in west don't know shizz about kurdish history. Those who are educated know a bit of modern history and that is it. Same thing with PUK and KDP kurds here in sweden. Their children dont care about Kurdish history.
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The PKK supporters in west don't know shot about kurdish hostory. Those who are educated know a bot of modern history and that is it. Same thing with OUK and KDP kurds here in sweden. Their children dont care about Kurdish history.
I think it's just Kurds in general, at least for the youth, when I talk to Kurds my age in London and I ask them about Ocalan. They reply "who?".

Ffs last Newroz I was with some Kurds who didn't even know who Mazlum Dogan and Ocalan were and they thought that PKK was a new party & when I told them it was founded in 1978 one of them said "I don't believe you".

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my father says he read somewhere on twitter that HDP will get some more seats in elih and other places. is it true?
Edited by Şirnex, Jun 9 15, 6:59.
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my father says he read somewhere on twitter that HDP will get some more seats in elih and other places. is it true?
apparently 82 seats, 3rd largest party now.
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my father says he read somewhere on twitter that HDP will get some more seats in elih and other places. is it true?
It can be true. As said earlier, the results can still change until 11 days has passed. It said 100% counting finished, but it said counting in Hakkari was 97%, Sirnex 99% etc. Don't know if it was a system bug or an actual error. If HDP sees this, they can complain and a recount can be made. So yeah, could get more seats, or even lose some.
Edited by Qandil, Jun 9 15, 7:02.
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The PKK supporters in west don't know shot about kurdish hostory. Those who are educated know a bot of modern history and that is it. Same thing with OUK and KDP kurds here in sweden. Their children dont care about Kurdish history.
I think it's just Kurds in general, at least for the youth, when I talk to Kurds my age in London and I ask them about Ocalan. They reply "who?".

Ffs last Newroz I was with some Kurds who didn't even know who Mazlum Dogan and Ocalan were and they thought that PKK was a new party & when I told them it was founded in 1978 one of them said "I don't believe you".

haha
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Not fully confirmed yet but yeah, HDP apparently gets two more seats. Instead of 3:1 it would be 4:0 in Elih and in Riha it would be 6:6 instead of 5:7.

If it's true, we'd be indeed the third strongest party, ahead of MHP.


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Bahceli , the MHP leader has very openly and officially said now that the peace process has to end. It's the main condition he's set. Otherwise MHP won't make a coalition with AKP he says.

To put it plainly, this whore basicially says that if an AKP-MHP coalition happens, they'll make war against Kurds.
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