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| Worldwar2boy | Dec 15 13, 5:30 Post #876 |
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the ''typical moscowi'' doesn't exist , that's like saying there is a huge difference between Kurds from, lets say Mahabad, and Kurds from Slemani, which is not true And Moscowi is a world city, people from all ethnicities live there, you can't say that there is a typical moscowi, that pic you posted is of Russian soldiers (?),. Eastern Europeans look a lot like each other |
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| jjmuneer | Dec 15 13, 5:40 Post #877 |
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I'm talking about the ethnic Russians that formed the state of Novgorad. They are generally the lightest of the Russians. |
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| ALAN | Dec 15 13, 12:06 Post #878 |
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It doesn't matter jj you said they were "levant arabs" there is absolutely nothing about the 1st pic I posted that shows they look like arabs nothing, my son will know the difference you are good with looks but this time I win
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| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| Zagros | Dec 16 13, 12:27 Post #879 |
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Syrian Islamist rebels to meet US officials according to opposition sources Syrian rebel commanders from the Islamic Front which seized control of bases belonging to Western-backed rebels last week are due to hold talks with U.S. officials in Turkey in coming days, rebel and opposition sources said on Saturday. The expected contacts between Washington and the radical fighters reflect the extent to which the Islamic Front alliance has eclipsed the more moderate Free Syrian Army brigades – which Western and Arab powers tried in vain to build into a force able to topple President Bashar al-Assad. The talks could also decide the future direction of the Islamic Front, which is engaged in a standoff with yet more radical Sunni Muslim fighters from the al Qaeda-linked Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). A rebel fighter with the Islamic Front said he expected the talks in Turkey to discuss whether the United States would help arm the front and assign to it responsibility for maintaining order in the rebel-held areas of northern Syria. He declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the talks, and gave no further details. Diplomatic sources in Turkey said that U.S. Syria envoy Robert Ford was expected in Istanbul soon but his schedule was not yet confirmed. The Islamic Front, formed by the unification of six major Islamist groups last month, seized control a week ago of weapons stores nominally under the control of the Free Syrian Army’s Supreme Military Command (SMC). It has since said it was asked to take over the base by the SMC to protect it from attack by ISIL fighters. Whether or not the move was requested, it demonstrated how little power the Western-backed SMC wields in rebel-held Syria. An SMC rebel commander also said he had been told the Islamic Front would hold talks with U.S. officials in Turkey in the coming days. The infighting and rivalries among the rebels have undermined their fight against Assad in Syria’s 2-1/2 year civil war, which has killed more than 125,000 people according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. The conflict has also reduced whole city districts across Syria to rubble, causing tens of billions of dollars of damage, driven 2 million refugees to seek safety abroad and made millions more homeless and vulnerable to a winter storm which has covered the region in snow and biting rain. ISLAMIST TENSIONS The Islamic Front rebel told Reuters that rivalry with the ISIL had already led to a spate of hostage-taking between the two sides, and that the Front’s decision to talk to the Americans had further escalated tension. Although he described the two Islamist forces as ideologically close, he said ISIL appeared set on confrontation, perhaps encouraged by some of their backers in Saudi Arabia. “The front has to talk to ISIL via messengers because of the tense situation,” he said. “ISIL sees things in black and white. They are very stubborn.” “So far the Islamic Front has been restraining itself, having some sort of dialogue with ISIL,” the rebel said. But he said that unless the hostages were released soon “there will be more discussions and a different decision will be taken”. Contacts with the United States will not be undertaken lightly by the Islamic Front, which includes Salafi groups such as Ahrar al-Sham brigades which are mainly hostile to the West and have rejected U.S.-Russian backed U.N. peace talks for Syria, due to be held in Switzerland next month. But their leaders have compared engaging with Washington to the Prophet Mohammad’s temporary and tactical truces with enemy tribes as he built up his power. The U.S. State Department, asked earlier this month whether it was in contact with Islamist rebels in Syria, said it wanted to work with a range of groups to try to persuade them to be part of the peace negotiations. Rebels control a large region of northern and eastern Syria but have failed to unite in a single military force, allowing Assad’s army to make some inroads around the northern city of Aleppo in recent weeks. The army, backed by Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas and Shi’ite Iraqi fighters, has also recaptured towns and suburbs around Damascus and along the main highway north from the capital towards the central city of Homs. Last week’s Islamic Front seizure of the SMC weapons bases led the United States and Britain to suspend non-lethal aid into northern Syria. But the opposition Syrian National Coalition said on Friday that more help, not less, was desperately needed. “We know that we have a problem, we know that we don’t have the organised military institutions that we want. We know of the challenges of the loose organisation of the Free Syrian Army,” Coalition chief of staff Monzer Abkik said in London. Appealing for international support to restructure the rebel forces, he said the alternative to an overhaul of their military operations was “complete chaos”. /Reuters http://welatopinion.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/syrian-islamist-rebels-to-meet-us-officials-according-opposition-sources/ |
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| Zagros | Dec 16 13, 12:28 Post #880 |
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Geneva-2 conference should represent Syria’s all society The final contact on preparations for Geneva-2 between the Russian Federation, the US, UN, involving other permanent members of the UN Security Council, the League of Arab States and Turkey is due in Geneva on December 20, Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov confirmed in an interview with the Rossiya-24 television channel. However, the minister said, the situation with the Syrian coalition was unclear. “Surely, we support the efforts, which Americans, following their obligations, have been undertaking to persuade the opposition to attend the conference without unacceptable preconditions, and we also have been working not only with Syria’s government, but with all the oppositionists, including the National Coalition /NC/,” he said. “We have only one benchmark – the Security Council’s resolution 2118, which confirmed the chemical disarmament in Syria,” the foreign minister said. “The process continues well, and we do not expect any failures there. That very resolution also supports organisation of Geneva-2, stressing the dialogue should feature representatives of the entire spectrum of the Syrian society. Thus, all the opposition should be represented at a decent level, not by only one structure, which may be doubtful because of the confusions and hesitations inside whenever Geneva-2 is being discussed. /ITAR-TASS http://welatopinion.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/geneva-2-conference-should-represent-syrias-all-society/ |
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| jjmuneer | Dec 16 13, 12:46 Post #881 |
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Alan I admit they look more Slavonic look on the second larger picture, but I felt tricked since first picture was small. Although their tan and sunglasses make it hard to see for me.
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| jjmuneer | Dec 16 13, 2:07 Post #882 |
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Iraqi Ayatollah says Assad and Maliki need to go![]()
http://www.albawaba.com/blog_roundup/ayatollah-assad-533964 Amen
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| ALAN | Dec 16 13, 2:14 Post #883 |
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Oh yeah na I new it from the start
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| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| ALAN | Dec 16 13, 2:16 Post #884 |
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jj if they go someone better might not replace them at the moment it doesn't matter to me all matters is WK gets full Govt and autonomy which sure as hell heading that way... Maybe KRG might even do bizo with Assad but I dont see this happening at the moment due to the situation in Syria, like KRG can counter balance turkish influence by sighing oil deal via WK then via Assad lands to the med sea, never say never, right now they are not attacking us but ISIS rats are |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| ALAN | Dec 16 13, 2:24 Post #885 |
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Maliki does not have any power or influence over us no more it's all game over for his attempts to even try to take over Kurdish areas outside of KRG admin as now KRG with own pipeline and Exxon, Gazprom, Chevron and Total on its soil is untouchable no matter how many Russian gears he gets... Assad can't afford to attack WK either even thou he has elements in WK, it will be suicide for him to do so as long as there is FSA, ISIS and Nusra |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| ALAN | Dec 16 13, 5:11 Post #886 |
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Shia power in the region was hostile towards KRG last year but this year it's changing back to how it was before the Syrian conflict after they realized their enemy isn't KRG it's ISIS, Nusra Turkey Saudis and Qatar and vice versa |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| the SUN child | Dec 18 13, 1:09 Post #887 |
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| Zagros | Dec 19 13, 7:49 Post #888 |
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West signals to Syrian opposition Assad may stay AMMAN - Reuters Western nations have indicated to the Syrian opposition that peace talks next month may not lead to the removal of President Bashar al-Assad and that his Alawite minority will remain key in any transitional administration, opposition sources said. The message, delivered to senior members of the Syrian National Coalition at a meeting of the anti-Assad Friends of Syria alliance in London last week, was prompted by rise of al Qaeda and other militant groups, and their takeover of a border crossing and arms depots near Turkey belonging to the moderate Free Syrian Army, the sources told Reuters. "Our Western friends made it clear in London that Assad cannot be allowed to go now because they think chaos and an Islamist militant takeover would ensue," said one senior member of the Coalition who is close to officials from Saudi Arabia. Noting the possibility of Assad holding a presidential election when his term formally ends next year, the Coalition member added: "Some do not even seem to mind if he runs again next year, forgetting he gassed his own people." The shift in Western priorities, particularly the United States and Britain, from removing Assad towards combating Islamist militants is causing divisions within international powers backing the nearly three-year-old revolt, according to diplomats and senior members of the coalition. Like U.S. President Barack Obama's rejection of air strikes against Syria in September after he accused Assad's forces of using poison gas, such a diplomatic compromise on a transition could narrow Western differences with Russia, which has blocked United Nations action against Assad, but also widen a gap in approach with the rebels' allies in the Middle East. The civil war pits Assad and many Alawites, backed by Iran and its Shi'ite Muslim allies, against Sunni Muslim rebels supported by Turkey, Libya and Sunni Gulf Arab states. Unlike in Libya in 2011, the West has ruled out military intervention, leaving militant Islamists including al Qaeda affiliates to emerge as the most formidable rebel force, raising alarm among Washington and its allies that Syria, which borders Israel and Iraq, has become a centre for global jihad. Saudi Arabia and Turkey, however, believe that tackling militants is less of a priority, with Sunni power Riyadh in particular furious at what it considers U.S. appeasement of Assad and his Iranian Shi'ite backers. Riyadh sent only a junior diplomat to the Friends of Syria meeting in London. Also signalling differences with Washington, opposition activists in Syria have said that Turkey has let a weapons consignment cross into Syria to the Islamic Front, the rebel group that overran the Bab al-Hawa border crossing last week, seizing arms and Western equipment supplied to non-Islamists. More Assad Peace talks are due to start in Switzerland on Jan. 22. The Coalition has agreed to go to the talks while insisting on Assad's immediate removal, but a Middle East diplomat said opposition leaders should be "more creative" in their tactics - notably in agreeing to take part in transitional arrangements that would leave Assad's fellow Alawites in key positions. "For Geneva to produce an arrangement acceptable to the United States and Russia, the opposition would have to accept taking part in a transitional administration with a strong Alawite presence," the diplomat said. "Assad may or may not stay as president but at least he will have diminished powers. "If the opposition rejects such a deal, they will lose most of the West and only have Saudi Arabia, Libya and Turkey left on their side." A second member of the Syrian opposition, who is in touch with U.S. officials, said Washington and Russia appeared to be working in tandem on a transitional framework in which Alawites would retain their dominant role in the army and security apparatus to assure their community against retribution and to rally a unified fight against al Qaeda with moderate rebel brigades, who would be invited to join a restructured military. He criticized U.S. and European officials for continuing to indulge in rhetoric that Assad has no future role to play in Syria, without spelling out how his rule will come to an end. "Even if Assad is sidelined and a Sunni heads a transitional authority, he would have no power because neither Washington nor Moscow appears to want to end the Alawite control over the military and security apparatus," he said. A senior Western official said that Russia and the United States have discussed which government officials - and up to what level of seniority - could be retained in a transitional phase but that they had not agreed any fixed blueprint. Russian red line A declaration last week by the 11 leading Western and Middle East countries opposed to Assad blamed the Syrian leader's military crackdown for the rise of Islamist militants but said the opposition must uphold democratic values. Islamists "undermine the Geneva ... process and threaten Syria's territorial integrity as well as international and regional security," the Friends of Syria said in a statement. Aafak Ahmad, a former Syrian intelligence official who defected to the rebels two years ago and is in contact with U.S. and Russian officials, said Moscow wanted an Alawite to lead the military in any transition. "Russia is not sticking to Assad but the red line for Moscow is the preservation of the Syrian army," he said. "It realises that, with five decades' experience in the army and security, the Alawites are best placed to fight Islamist militants. "The political solution has to be gradual and involve a collegiate leadership. If Alawites are assured that there will be no retribution against their lives and property they would accept that Assad and the first line of his lieutenants leave." December/18/2013 http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/west-signals-to-syrian-opposition-assad-may-stay.aspx?pageID=238&nID=59762&NewsCatID=359 Edited by Zagros, Dec 19 13, 7:50.
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| Zagros | Dec 22 13, 1:23 Post #889 |
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Syrian Opposition Head: Barzani is Great Supporter of Syrian People, Revolution By Dilxwaz Bahlawi Ahmad Asi al-Jarba, the head of the Syrian National Coalition (SNC) who was in Erbil last week to meet with South Kurdistan President Massoud Barzani, said that: “Neither during the transition nor after, there is a place for the Assad regime. That is our unchanging position.” Asked about the status of Kurds in Syria and whether that will be discussed at the Geneva 2 conference next month, he promised: “Every subject will be open to discussion at the meeting. No dossier will be ignored.” Al-Jabra also said that the SNC does not back the self-declared interim government in Syrian Kurdistan because, “We have an interim government already to govern the liberated areas.” Here is his complete interview with Rudaw: Rudaw: What were the main topics of your meeting with South Kurdistan President Massoud Barzani this week? Ahmad Asi al-Jarba: We visited Erbil on an invitation from President Barzani. Given the complex situation of Syria today, it is quite natural to meet with our brothers in Erbil and with President Barzani in particular. What is happening in Syria is also related to Iraq. There is a common view between us regarding the political, civil and all other topics in Syria. I made a thorough analysis of the situation in Syria to him (Barzani) and I listened to what he had to say. I believe that, like all our meetings with President Barzani, it was a very positive and honest meeting. Barzani is undoubtedly a great supporter of the Syrian people and their revolution and that is nothing new. From the beginning of the revolution he has made his position clear. Apart from that, a huge number of Syrian refugees are now in the South Kurdistan and the Kurdish government is assisting them. We thanked him for that, and we visited some of the camps while in Kurdistan. Rudaw: Has the Syrian National Coalition decided to attend the Geneva 2 meeting next month? And how do you see the Kurdish participation there? Will the Kurdish question be discussed at the meeting? Ahmad Asi al-Jarba: We intend to attend Geneva 2, but we also insist that we do not go there just for the sake of participation, but to make sure the meeting succeeds. Success means the freedom of Syria. The meeting shouldn’t be a propaganda tool or appearance in the media. It is a last chance and shouldn’t be missed. In order for Geneva 2 to succeed, Geneva 1 has to be its constitution. I must also say that, neither during the transition nor after, there is a place for the Assad regime. That is our unchanging position. Regarding the participation of the Kurdish brothers, the entire meeting will be held between two main delegations: The regime delegation and the SNC. The Kurdish National Council (KNC) is already part of the SNC and they will be present at Geneva 2. Every subject will be open to discussion at the meeting. No dossier will be ignored. Rudaw: As we speak, Syrian Kurdish groups, especially the Democratic Union Party (PYD) and KNC, are holding their own talks. Will the SNC try to meet with the PYD, and what is your take on the PYD? Ahmad Asi al-Jarba: My visit to Erbil was only to see President Barzani. Nothing else was on my agenda. But we are happy about the talks between the PYD and the KNC. We have met with the PYD more than once. I have met with Mr. Salih Muslim. Our meetings are ongoing and wouldn’t conclude overnight. I hope that everything turns out well in the end and that we all share the same clear view towards the regime in Damascus. Rudaw: What is your honest opinion about the permanent autonomous administration the PYD is working on right now? Ahmad Asi al-Jarba: We do not support autonomous administrations because, as the National Coalition, we have an interim government already to govern the liberated areas. We even have a Kurd as the minister of finance in that government. There only needs to be that government in all the free areas to help the people. Otherwise, there would be confusion. I believe that dialogue can solve everything. So I hope our interim government reaches those (Kurdish) areas and we all work for it together, otherwise it will fail. Rudaw: Several days ago the first shipment of UN aid flew out of Erbil airport to Qamishli, and we all know that Qamishli airport is still under regime control. Do you think the aid will reach the people who need it most? Ahmad Asi al-Jarba: Our view is that the shipment of aid is done under UN supervision, and our people in Syria live in such dire situation that it doesn’t matter who controls the airport. What is important is for the aid to reach the people who are starving and cold in this harsh winter. The UN is doing this work and they should also make sure the assistance reaches the right people. Some people live under regime control, but they are still our people and haven’t come from another planet. We have asked the UN to be present at all times so that there is no corruption in the distribution. Rudaw: You said you visited the refugee camps in Kurdistan and that you had brought with you some aid. Ahmad Asi al-Jarba: Yes, we have brought aid with us and it will be given to the camps. I also spoke with President Barzani and other Kurdish authorities about opening an office of coordination for the SNC in Erbil to help our displaced people in Kurdistan. In the coming days the office will open and we will soon start assisting our refugees. - See more at: http://rudaw.net/english/interview/20122013#sthash.keBd0khZ.dpuf |
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| Worldwar2boy | Dec 22 13, 1:38 Post #890 |
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the opposition is a piece of shizz asshead is a piece of shizz turkey is a piece of shizz iran is a piece of shizz iraq is a SHITHOLE only reason they think barzani is a great supporter is because barzani hates asshead LOL |
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| Zagros | Dec 22 13, 8:40 Post #891 |
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36 Kurdish fighters returning from Syria arrested in Sulaimani A security force from Sulaimani province arrested 36 young men who returned from Syria because they were fighting along with the Nusra Front Terrorist Group in Syria. The head of the Protection and Information Establishment in South Kurdistan Lahor Shiekh Jinki reported that “The last explosion which took place last night in Sulaimani city completes the series of explosions that targeted the two officers within the Peshmerga Ministry a while ago,” noting that “These terrorist operations were conducted by terrorists returning from fight in Syria.” He clarified “Our security forces have arrested during the last few days 36 young men returning from Syria who admitted that they were fighting with the Nusra Front against the Kurdish Forces there as well as admitting that they received training on fighting tactics and emplacing bombs or conducting terrorist operations.” He emphasized that “The terrorist groups threatened to revenge from Sulaimani security departments upon arresting the terrorists returning from Syria. http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/kurdish-young-men-returning-from-fight-in-syria-arrested-in-sulaimaniya/?#axzz2o9E8goOS Edited by Zagros, Dec 22 13, 8:40.
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| Zagros | Dec 23 13, 8:59 Post #892 |
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Kurdish Students in Slemani Support Rojava Kurds Students of the University of Sulaimani start a campaign to collect signatures to support interim administration project of PYD, self-management, and call on the KRG to open the borders with Kurdish areas of Syria. http://vvanwilgenburg.blogspot.hu/2013/12/kurdish-students-in-slemani-support.html |
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| ALAN | Dec 24 13, 11:45 Post #893 |
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ISIS vs maliki chopper in Iraq - Anbar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zeVnCf4jDs |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| Zagros | Dec 25 13, 7:33 Post #894 |
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Kurdish Groups Agree to Attend Geneva 2 Under United Banner ERBIL, South Kurdistan – The Syrian Kurdish People’s Council and Kurdistan National Council (KNC) have agreed to attend next month’s Geneva 2 conference under a united banner, and to reopen the Peshkhabur border with the South Kurdistan in KRG. The agreement was declared Tuesday in Erbil by Abdulsalam Ahmed, the co-leader of the People's Council that is affiliated with the Democratic Union Party (PYD), and Tahir Sifuk, who heads the KNC. Both leaders confirmed that Kurds will take part in the UN-backed conference in Geneva on January 22 as a single voice, and that whichever side attends, it will represent the other as well. They also announced a deal to reopen the Peshkhabur border crossing between Syrian Kurdistan (Rojava) and the South Kurdistan for humanitarian aid, trade and political delegations within 48 hours after signing the agreement. The two leaders declared that anyone who has been killed in clashes or explosions from the Syrian civil war is considered a “martyr,” and that all political prisoners would be freed. Agreements also include the formation of an 11-person committee to investigate the incidents in Amude and the village of Tel Ghazal, where PYD fighters stand accused of killing several people. Ahmed and Sifuk said there still remained two issues that needed resolution: The interim administration declared by the PYD in Rojava and reinstatement of the Kurdish Supreme Council. They said these would be discussed in the next round of talks on January 15. Tuesday’s agreement followed days of discussions by the two sides in Erbil. The talks were mediated by South Kurdistan President Massoud Barzani, Diyarbakir Mayor Osman Baydemir and Leyla Zana, a Kurdish MP from the same city. One of the main sticking points over any agreement between the two sides had been over security. The PYD has been unwilling to share control over security with anyone and recognizes only its own People’s Protection Units (YPG). The PYD also claims that anyone can serve within the YPG. The KNC has consistently proposed a united military force. - See more at: http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/24122013#sthash.Zy90I8Zy.dpuf |
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| ALAN | Dec 25 13, 11:17 Post #895 |
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Maliki soldier rank says (ya hussain) sect much?
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| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| jjmuneer | Dec 25 13, 11:32 Post #896 |
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Alan you seem obsessed with Shias. Alan Imam Hussein isn't for Shias only, his for everyone. He was a symbol of freedom. Even Gadhi mentioned him. ![]() Edited by jjmuneer, Dec 25 13, 11:34.
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| ALAN | Dec 25 13, 11:44 Post #897 |
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I'm not obsessed Shias are to me he is a normal person I only look up to my prophet... The rest were just religious guys nothing special |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| Zagros | Dec 25 13, 11:45 Post #898 |
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Biji sunni u shia! |
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| ALAN | Dec 25 13, 11:45 Post #899 |
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That's stupid anyway putting a rank name after a religious guy I'm glad our peshmerga are not after these nonesense... You shouldn't be either but you are free to follow such thing but I think you should keep it to yourself... |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| ALAN | Dec 25 13, 11:46 Post #900 |
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Zagros that's like saying bji prostant and orthodox |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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