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ALAN
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If I see a Saudi putting some sunni religious guy name as his rank I'll call it stupid too it's has nothing to do with obsession but sometimes religion can make you do stupid things and that is one if them.... There is no difference between doing that as a Kurd (shia) and joining ISIS (sunni) if you done such thing I will call it stupid and it means shia comes before your nationality jj

This is why Kirmashan refused Mahabad and preferred Central Iran Govt bcos they thought like you jj they were been shia first then Kurdish should be the opposite, you are patriot but at times I see your religion take hold of you I think as a critic towards you you should work on that..

I can't even believe you defended such stupid move :smachhead: this means jj you would become a soldier for maliki and fight for him in the name of defending Ya Hussain like Kurds jointing ISIS in defending sunni religion crap

JJ i have long been trying to make your nationality matter more and first before your religion but seems I have failed so we can leave it from here...
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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ALAN
Dec 25 13, 11:46
Zagros that's like saying bji prostant and orthodox
Yes, I agree. :D
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Like kurdfayli said bji patriotism and nationalism I don't like to think I'm sunni Kurd I'm a Kurd who prays to his god and believes in his last messenger prophet MOHAMAD the rest of the guys after him are just as special as a today shekh to me. So that doesn't make a sunni but a secular Muslim Kurd only. But it seems some of us would prefer religion before nationalism and that's totally their choice.
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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If Kurdistan is under threat by means of Islam I will be first to drop such religion so my nationalism comes before everything then the Prophet and then my religion

I will still have faith in my God to guide me throu free of religion if it needs to be
Edited by ALAN, Dec 26 13, 3:53.
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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jj if you became a peshmerga one day and pulled a stunt like that remain assured you will be fired.
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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ALAN
Dec 25 13, 11:44
I'm not obsessed Shias are to me he is a normal person I only look up to my prophet... The rest were just religious guys nothing special
Can I ask where did you get "they were just some religious guy"?

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Dec 25 13, 11:57
Like kurdfayli said bji patriotism and nationalism I don't like to think I'm sunni Kurd I'm a Kurd who prays to his god and believes in his last messenger prophet MOHAMAD the rest of the guys after him are just as special as a today shekh to me. So that doesn't make a sunni but a secular Muslim Kurd only. But it seems some of us would prefer religion before nationalism and that's totally their choice.
Yes they are his apostles. I've written paragraphs of paragraphs on Hadiths explain the status of the Imams. Yet you didn't even bother reading them. Hence why we say (A.S) after their names.

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Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 9.329
Narrated Jabir Ibn Samura:

I heard the Prophet saying, "There will be twelve commanders (Amir)." He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, the Prophet added, "All of them will be from Quraish."

(ii) In Musnad Ahmad, the tradition is as follows:

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "There shall be twelve Caliphs for this community, all of them from Quraish."

Reference: Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v5, p106




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In Sahih Muslim, the traditions are as follows:

Narrated Jabir Ibn Samura:
The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "The matter (life) will not end, until it is passed by twelve Caliphs." He then whispered a sentence. I asked my father what the Prophet said. He said, the Prophet added: "All of them will be from Quraish."

Sunni references:
- Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Imaara, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v3, p1452, Tradition #5
- Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraish and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraish), v3, p1009, Tradition #4477



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Again from Sahih Muslim:

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "The affairs of people will continue to be conducted (well) as long as they are governed by the twelve men."

Sunni references:
- Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Imaara, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v3, p1453, Tradition #6
- Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraish and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraish), v3, p1010, Tradition #4478



Let me also add:
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HADITH AL-THAQALAIN

The Prophet address his followers: O' People! I am about to be called upon [by the Most High] and so I will soon be leaving you. I will bequeath you two most precious matters. They are:

The book of Allah, as a cord extended from heaven to earth, and

My Itra [family], Ahlul Bayt.

Allah, the Benevolent and the All-Knowing has informed me that these two will be inseparable (from each other) till they reach me at the Pool of Blessings in Heaven. See then, O' people, how well you are to deal with them after I depart [from this world].


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Dec 26 13, 12:26
ALAN
Dec 25 13, 11:53

JJ i have long been trying to make your nationality matter more and first before your religion but seems I have failed so we can leave it from here...
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This is why Kirmashan refused Mahabad and preferred Central Iran Govt bcos they thought like you jj they were been shia first then Kurdish should be the opposite, you are patriot but at times I see your religion take hold of you I think as a critic towards you you should work on that..

No it isn't, Kirmanshan didn't refuse Mahabad government because they were Shia. I asked you this question. Then why did Sne not be a part of the Mahabad republic? Who was ruling Kirmanshan at the time?


My religon? All I asked is why are you so obsessed with Shias. You said "sect much". Have you read a single paper on Imam Hussein? What does he have to do with Shia or Sunni, he helped all peoples including Christians and Jews.

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I can't even believe you defended such stupid move :smachhead: this means jj you would become a soldier for maliki and fight for him in the name of defending Ya Hussain like Kurds jointing ISIS in defending sunni religion crap

I didn't defend him, but do you know how many times I've seen people attacking and bashing Shias on this board. Not once do I see you bashing Saudis. Brendar, you and WW2boy constantly bash my faith.

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JJ i have long been trying to make your nationality matter more and first before your religion but seems I have failed so we can leave it from here...


Do you even know me personally? No, so how are you assuming things without any knowledge. I asked a question now you are raging.
I never bash Shia in particular, in fact, I have protected Shia faith few times when I said that Shia basically was created because Sunni's hated non-Arab muslims.

But anyway, I dislike all religions equally :D. They're all fairy tales to me :D.

Kurdistan is the only thing that is sure in our lives, everything else is pure speculation (even if it is based on books, even if you believe in it soooo very much, it's still just faith, nothing more...).
biji kurd u kurdistan !!
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There are just some religious guys and that's all they were let's not worship them only the prophet has such place not even the khalifas should be worshiped like Shias do that's very wrong if you have a prophet why worship someone else!? Like unsaid I don't care what sunni and Shias do but I only pray to my God and his prophet the rest mean not much to me.
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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I don't follow "imams" not do I give two shits what they have done my only spiritual connection connection in Islam is God and Prophet no one else matter to me they were good people sure but I don't pray, look up or call onto them. You do what you want and follow what majority shias do but I don't follow what majority Sunnis do that's what I'm trying to tell you...
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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It's really awkward that how shias worship their "imams" to a point they have forgotten their prophet xwa panaman bat where I came from majority Kurds do not give a rats ass about "imams" and I'm glad I grew up in that environment as it helped me decide the path that suits me best and I think it's best..
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Dec 26 13, 2:49
It's really awkward that how shias worship their "imams" to a point they have forgotten their prophet xwa panaman bat where I came from majority Kurds do not give a rats ass about "imams" and I'm glad I grew up in that environment as it helped me decide the path that suits me best and I think it's best..
Did you even read the Hadiths I posted?
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Why cant people just love their god and worship 'it'. Implying that god doesn't have to be a person/he/she.

Pray to your god and if you need follow what prophets have said to help guide you through your life. You dont have to be religious to gain gods acceptance. If god is great and all knowing, 'it' will know your true thoughts, if your thoughts are towards being positive and loving to god 'it' shall accept you for who you are not how many times you pray a day or if you fast...
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jj first I'm not angry at all heval haha 2nd I go by Quran and what Mohamad has done and advice given as guidance I don't follow imam I'm not shia heval gyan... It works for you then that's it fine but it doesn't work for me, just bcos imam is mentioned few times in the Quran vs 1000 times the prophet mentioned I will not go and listen to imams, they were good religious guys and that's all they were, God never wanted Muslims to worship imam that's not what Islam teaches it seems Tehran teaches and spreads a religion totally alien to me...
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Dec 26 13, 3:14
jj first I'm not angry at all heval haha 2nd I go by Quran and what Mohamad has done and advice given as guidance I don't follow imam I'm not shia heval gyan... It works for you then that's it fine but it doesn't work for me, just bcos imam is mentioned few times in the Quran vs 1000 times the prophet mentioned I will not go and listen to imams, they were good religious guys and that's all they were, God never wanted Muslims to worship imam that's not what Islam teaches it seems Tehran teaches and spreads a religion totally alien to me...
Alan the prophet was also mentioned only a few times. The Prophet Jesus was mentioned more time than the Prophet, so by that logic we follow Jesus? ;)

Alan I'm just asking a simple request, please just read the Hadiths, they are all sunni Hadiths.

Go through it to our according to logic. The Rashidun caliphates+Ummayids+Abbasids it doesn't even equal to 12. Plus Yazid and his line are definately not "righteous", since they killed the Prophet's grandson.

Alan we don't pray to the Imams, and say "ya ali" isn't pray to them. It's known as intercession heval. Sunnis also believe in intercession. Meaning praying to God through the prophets or Imams.

And before you say "no sunnis don't". Then why do you say in your pray, "asalamualkum heyun ana nabi we rahamatil wa baracatu".
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I have read them but it still doesn't put imam above Prophet it still doesn't make it ok to mention imams or In other words religios shekhs more than your prophet!? And no MOHAMAD is mentioned more than all other prophets put together and imams only 1 or 2 times in the Quran I'm talking not Hadiths... jj you are basically equalling the prophet value as much as the imams and that's blasphemous
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Dec 26 13, 3:31
And before you say "no sunnis don't". Then why do you say in your pray, "asalamualkum heyun ana nabi we rahamatil wa baracatu".
Where did you get that from?
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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And if you want to put the level of an imam as of the prophet do so with all 4 imams Ali, Abu Bakr, Osman and Omar don't go hand pick the ones you prefer (Ali) and his sons only... haha
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Far out this debate is so deep it will never end jj let's wait till judgement day and see who is right then he can say "I told you so" haha
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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jj if there was a war between Kurdistan and Iran and the Ayatullah of Iran called upon all shia youth to join with them to defend your imams which side will you choose??? Be honest please in the name of your imams!?
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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If there is a war between Saudia and Kurdistan and Saudis call the war "jihad for Mekka" I'll 1 million % defend Kurdistan if it comes to my nationality I will choose it over my religion but not sure if jj will do that too...!? Yes? No!
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Dec 26 13, 3:41
I have read them but it still doesn't put imam above Prophet it still doesn't make it ok to mention imams or In other words religios shekhs more than your prophet!? And no MOHAMAD is mentioned more than all other prophets put together and imams only 1 or 2 times in the Quran I'm talking not Hadiths... jj you are basically equalling the prophet value as much as the imams and that's blasphemous
I know heval, and no teachings in Ahlul Bayt mention the Imams are equal to the Prophets, we say the Imams(A.S) are the apostles of the Prophet(SAWA) and the gaurdians of the message of islam after him. In order to ensure that people don't make up things about him or against him.

Alan no need to argue with me on this, Jesus is mentioned more times than the prophet by name. His only mentioned 4 times in the Quran: http://voicesofthefaceless.com/2012/04/15/muhammad-only-mentioned-4-times-in-the-quran-whats-up-with-that/

Yes Imams are mentioned less than the Prophet, hence why they are subordinate to him.
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Dec 26 13, 3:42
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Dec 26 13, 3:31
And before you say "no sunnis don't". Then why do you say in your pray, "asalamualkum heyun ana nabi we rahamatil wa baracatu".
Where did you get that from?
From the prayer, sunni and Shias pray the same words.
You say that at the end of your prayer.
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Dec 26 13, 3:44
And if you want to put the level of an imam as of the prophet do so with all 4 imams Ali, Abu Bakr, Osman and Omar don't go hand pick the ones you prefer (Ali) and his sons only... haha
Abu Bakr, nor Uthman are Imams, they just caliphs who appointed themselves. The Prophet choice Imam Ali but they usurped.

I'm not hand picking who I like, the prophet himself said:
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I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family.


This is in Sahih Muslim, sunni hadith. It says it in your own hadiths.
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Dec 26 13, 3:47
jj if there was a war between Kurdistan and Iran and the Ayatullah of Iran called upon all shia youth to join with them to defend your imams which side will you choose??? Be honest please in the name of your imams!?
Why would he call to defend our imams? Are we Kurds going to attack the Imam's shrines?
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