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Jun 24 14, 12:24
Saudis aren't Sunnis, they are Wahhabis. Wahhabis don't consider themselvs to be a part of "ahle Sunnah", but seperate. Plus the conflict bewteen Persia and Arabia has existed during the Sassanid era. But no denying Shiasm and Wahhabism are at opposite ends.
Wahhabism is just a branch of Sunni Islam. There're many ramifications within Sunni Islam, one the most violent one is Salafism Sunni movement.

The most holy places of Sunni Islam are in Mecca, Saudi Arabs. Saudi Arabia is the center of Sunni Islam. If you want to hit (and damge) Sunni Islam (as politcal ideology) at heart you have to hit Mecca in Saudi Arabia!


More about Islam and Violence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_violence
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Jun 24 14, 12:34
jjmuneer
Jun 24 14, 12:24
Saudis aren't Sunnis, they are Wahhabis. Wahhabis don't consider themselvs to be a part of "ahle Sunnah", but seperate. Plus the conflict bewteen Persia and Arabia has existed during the Sassanid era. But no denying Shiasm and Wahhabism are at opposite ends.
Wahhabism is just a branch of Sunni Islam. There're many ramifications within Sunni Islam, one the most violent one is Salafism Sunni movement.

The most holy places of Sunni Islam are in Mecca, Saudi Arabs. Saudi Arabia is the center of Sunni Islam. If you want to hit (and damge) Sunni Islam (as politcal ideology) at heart you have to hit Mecca in Saudi Arabia!


More about Islam and Violence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_violence
Wahhabism isn't classified as a school of thought within Sunni Islam, it's it own independant school of thought:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html
http://www.sunnah.org/articles/Wahhabiarticleedit.htm

There are two fundamental differences bewteen Sunnism and Wahhabism. The first that all the scholars of were wrong and Wahhabis don't need scholars to understand Islam. Second the prophet is infallible, whilst sunnis believe his fallible.
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Clashes Break Out between ISIS and Naqshbandi in Hawjia

According to a source, clashes broke out between the members of the Naqshbani which is headed by the previous vice president IzzatAlDouri and members of ISIS.

The source said to Kirkuk Now, “The clashes occurred because the Naqshbandi members refused to give up their weapons to ISIS who forced all armed factions to give up their weapons.”

He continued, “The clashes broke out in Tal Baghal area near Hawijain southwestern Kirkuk. 6 members of ISIS and 5 members of the Naqshbandi were killed during the fight.”

A political analyst said to Kirkuk Now, “There are probably no real battles between ISIS and Naqshbandi in the city, but rather it is a media war promoted by the Iraqi government who wants to strike the gunmen through the media to weaken them. The majority of Hawjia are from the Naqshbandi and ISIS cannot control them.”

Read more: http://kirkuknow.com/english/index.php/2014/06/clashes-break-out-between-isis-and-naqshbandi-in-hawjia/#ixzz35TNk0Ccx
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Jun 24 14, 1:16
the SUN child
Jun 24 14, 12:34

Quoting limited to 2 levels deephttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_violence
Wahhabism isn't classified as a school of thought within Sunni Islam, it's it own independant school of thought:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html
http://www.sunnah.org/articles/Wahhabiarticleedit.htm

There are two fundamental differences bewteen Sunnism and Wahhabism. The first that all the scholars of were wrong and Wahhabis don't need scholars to understand Islam. Second the prophet is infallible, whilst sunnis believe his fallible.
With all due respect, are you trolling again?

Saudi Arabia = Sunni
Iran = Shia

period!
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the SUN child
Jun 24 14, 5:43
jjmuneer
Jun 24 14, 1:16

Quoting limited to 2 levels deephttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_violencehttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html
http://www.sunnah.org/articles/Wahhabiarticleedit.htm

There are two fundamental differences bewteen Sunnism and Wahhabism. The first that all the scholars of were wrong and Wahhabis don't need scholars to understand Islam. Second the prophet is infallible, whilst sunnis believe his fallible.
With all due respect, are you trolling again?

Saudi Arabia = Sunni
Iran = Shia

period!

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I'm not trolling, trust me I know more on this topic than you. You show me a map and think Islamic divisions are that simple. Saudi has a Hanbali muslim population, however it is governed by the Wahhabi sect. Just go onto youtube and type in 'Wahhabis on Sunnis'. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wahhabis+on+sunnis

I've already told you Wahhabis consider all Sunni schools of thought to be invalid, it's not my opinion but their teacher Al-Wahhab says so:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_movement
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Initially, Wahhabism was a revivalist movement instigated by an eighteenth century theologian, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (1703–1792) from Najd, Saudi Arabia,[11] who was opposed by his own father and brother for his non-traditional interpretation of Islam.


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The terms Wahhabi and Salafi and ahl al-hadith (people of hadith) are often used interchangeably,[16] but Wahhabism has also been called "a particular orientation within Salafism",[1] considered ultra-conservative and which rejects traditional Islamic legal scholarship as unnecessary innovation.
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Good to have jumener back. Some real religious knowledge. Not all the non sense that has been going on lately ( including from myself).
'' Don't touch me doctor! My death is necessary for the Kurds to wake up''
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Jun 24 14, 6:56
I've already told you Wahhabis consider all Sunni schools of thought to be invalid, it's not my opinion but their teacher Al-Wahhab says so:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_movement
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Initially, Wahhabism was a revivalist movement instigated by an eighteenth century theologian, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (1703–1792) from Najd, Saudi Arabia,[11] who was opposed by his own father and brother for his non-traditional interpretation of Islam.


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The terms Wahhabi and Salafi and ahl al-hadith (people of hadith) are often used interchangeably,[16] but Wahhabism has also been called "a particular orientation within Salafism",[1] considered ultra-conservative and which rejects traditional Islamic legal scholarship as unnecessary innovation.
Wahhabi movement is a very young offshoot (sect) of Sunni Islam.

Wahhabism is actually a modern 'sect' (offshoot) of Sunni Islam


Just a few centuries ago, before Wahhabism existed, people who currently are part of Wahhabism were considered just as Sunni Muslims.
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Jun 24 14, 7:06
jjmuneer
Jun 24 14, 6:56
I've already told you Wahhabis consider all Sunni schools of thought to be invalid, it's not my opinion but their teacher Al-Wahhab says so:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_movement

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Wahhabi movement is a very young offshoot (sect) of Sunni Islam.

Wahhabism is actually a modern 'sect' (offshoot) of Sunni Islam


Just a few centuries ago, before Wahhabism existed, people who currently are part of Wahhabism were considered as Sunni Muslims.
Yes and they no longer other heval. I'm not disputing al Wahhab was a Sunni before his creation of his own school of thought.
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Jun 24 14, 7:09
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Quoting limited to 2 levels deephttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_movement
Yes and they no longer other heval. I'm not disputing al Wahhab was a Sunni before his creation of his own school of thought.
OK, but it's actually how you interpret this.

I will give you an example. Within the Catholism (Catholic Church) there’re also many different orders, like:
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The same goes with Protestantism (church):
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Same goes with the Orthodox Church (Greek, Russian, Georgian, Armenian Church)


So, also within Sunni Islam and Shia Islam there're many different offshoot movements (sects). Same with Judaism.
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'Wahhabism to Sunni Islam' is like 'Calvinism to the Protestant Church' or 'Franciscanism to the Catholic Church'...
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Jun 23 14, 11:25
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Jun 23 14, 8:33
This divide between sunni and shia goes back to the 7th century

haha haha haha

http://time.com/2905812/iraq-kurds-isis/
Obviously, but the conflict in Iraq isn't a religious one, as much as people like to make out that it is. It's a proxy war bewteen Saudi Arabia and Iran, and Saudis played their first card. Not to mention Kurds are Sunni, but you don't see them siding with ISIS, it's only logical we Kurds want independance, and the shias and sunnis wants theirs.
I have mentioned this before. We are fighting arabs, turks, and persians. The media calls it ISIS terrorists, I call it sunni war against shia. This war has been going on since the 7th century.

ISIS, alnusra, alqaida etc are not terrorist groups, they are sunni people fighting against shia people. We Kurds are being attacked by arabs (sunni and shia) in South Kurdistan and West Kurdistan, please stop using ISIS or nusra or alqaida.

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Not to mention Kurds are Sunni

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jjmuneer
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Quoting limited to 2 levels deepThis divide between sunni and shia goes back to the 7th century

haha haha haha

http://time.com/2905812/iraq-kurds-isis/
I have mentioned this before. We are fighting arabs, turks, and persians. The media calls it ISIS terrorists, I call it sunni war against shia. This war has been going on since the 7th century.

ISIS, alnusra, alqaida etc are not terrorist groups, they are sunni people fighting against shia people. We Kurds are being attacked by arabs (sunni and shia) in South Kurdistan and West Kurdistan, please stop using ISIS or nusra or alqaida.

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Not to mention Kurds are Sunni

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Well I meant the majority of Kurds are Sunni muslims, a minority shia, yezidi, christian and athiests/agnostics. But you get what I mean, Kurds don't align themselves based on religon.

Although my point wasn't in reference to Kurds being attacked, but the influence and mingling of the west, since it was the colonial powers of Britain, France and the USA who put us in this situation we are currently in. Obviously we cannot keep blaming them, but they equally have Kurdish blood on their hands.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27990478
Iraq crisis: Key oil refinery 'seized by rebels'
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Iraq's biggest oil refinery at Baiji, north of Baghdad, is reported to have been fully captured by Sunni rebels after days of heavy fighting.

The refinery had been under siege for 10 days with the militant offensive being repulsed several times.

A rebel spokesman said the refinery would now be handed over to local tribes to administer.

Insurgents, led by the group Isis, are expanding their control of towns in the north and west.

They are bearing down on a vital dam near Haditha, and have captured all of the border crossings to Syria and Jordan from government forces.
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Kurds Fight for Control of Kirkuk: The Battle for Iraq (Dispatch 1, 2, 3)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RojiK_l45hY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdTNm54UHkA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHqdbShxPJ8
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ISIS new rule

no cars only camels to travel with

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Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Ali ‪#‎Hatem‬: The formation of a ‪#‎Sunni‬ region has become a de facto and ‪#‎Baghdad‬ does not belong to anyone. ‪#‎iraq‬
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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ISIS got 17 official laws now with the camel law. At least they forbid smoking/buying cigarettes and all alcohol is gone
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Jun 24 14, 9:03
ISIS got 17 official laws now with the camel law. At least they forbid smoking/buying cigarettes and all alcohol is gone
ISIS are stone age savages. They kill illiterate poor people for not having any islamic schooling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgY5dnOLMro


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^^ none of our damn business as long as they don't kill Kurds.
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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jj do you think your family is in danger now or soon when/if ISIS reachs Baghdad??? Do you see now why I always argued with you about this??? Now it's hard to get out unless it's by planes....
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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^^ none of our damn business as long as they don't kill Kurds.
They're already killing kurds in khanaqin and diyala province and mandali. They also attacked feyli districts in baghdad with car bombs. This is why Feylis formed defense brigades and agreed to be armed by maliki. Once ISIS finish their killings in Iraq, they'll come to KRG aswell. I'm a 100% certain that some of those beard-wearing salafists roaming Hewlêr and sulamaniyah are secretly rooting for them. A year ago, they said they would go to Iraq. And they did deliver on their promise. They've promised to go to jordan aswell. I'm pretty sure them being stone age salafist savages ideologically, they won't let go of kurds or turks who are secular either. They included kurdistan, as part of their caliphate territory. Well I guess people in KRG feel more comfortable with Afghanistan neighboring them, than Iraq. Actually I'd rather have Taliban as neighbors than ISIS. Soon they'll create a decreed that ISIS fighters can only fight with qu'ran in one hand and the power of allah. No more ak47s.
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It was meant as a joke...don't you understand it? They are the most backwarded people in the world, yet they forbid cigarettes ahahahah even the worldwide medical association was astonished by this. Doesnt mean I like them, I hate them as much as I hate *****, ***** and ********
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It was meant as a joke...don't you understand it? They are the most backwarded people in the world, yet they forbid cigarettes ahahahah even the worldwide medical association was astonished by this. Doesnt mean I like them, I hate them as much as I hate *****, ***** and ********
Stop lying dude... you love women in burqas. Posted Image

Their eyes are so sexy.
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Thats what i said, if they kill kurds then we kill them back, there is also shia Asayd Ahl Haq who killed a Slemani Kurd and kidnapped few and threatened Erbil with rocket attacks.... what do you say about them?? go read the article its in Peshmerga thread..
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Jun 24 14, 11:21
Thats what i said, if they kill kurds then we kill them back, there is also shia Asayd Ahl Haq who killed a Slemani Kurd and kidnapped few and threatened Erbil with rocket attacks.... what do you say about them?? go read the article its in Peshmerga thread..
More complex than that. Tensions between nouri al maliki supporters and the shiah bloc versus KRG, has been happening since last few years. The latest involved KRG being very close to declaring independence. At first nouri al maliki thought he could handle the situation and he was reluctant to ask for aid from KRG(fearing they'd take over the territories, which they remove ISIS from), but after ISIS-Baathi alliance started being joined by Sunni tribes, and their advances sky-rocketed. By then KRG didn't respond to calls for help from baghdad and recently they had some sort of informal non-agression stand-down with ISIS(Probably because barzani wants to declare independence from Iraq, and sees it as an opportunity to do so). After that tensions between the Shiah bloc has been at their all time high. Baghdad sees KRG as disloyal opportuntists, and KRG sees Iraq as an obstacle to their eventual independence. There has been skirmishes ever since on both sides.
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