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Aug 12 14, 2:21
John Mckein with Baghdadi in Syria

http://z5.ifrm.com/30192/69/0/p1208176/12140.jpg
That was during a time when Baghdadis IS was yet part of the Free Syrian Army. Look at the flag in behindter

IS later split from FSA and even IS.

However I am not even sure if that is Baghdadi. And if he really is. This man looks completely different from that guy in the "Israeli club".
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Aug 12 14, 9:33
ALAN
Aug 12 14, 2:21
John Mckein with Baghdadi in Syria

http://z5.ifrm.com/30192/69/0/p1208176/12140.jpg
That was during a time when Baghdadis IS was yet part of the Free Syrian Army. Look at the flag in behindter

IS later split from FSA and even IS.

However I am not even sure if that is Baghdadi. And if he really is. This man looks completely different from that guy in the "Israeli club".
But Kurdistano remember Baghdadi was imprisoned by the USA then released. I wouldn't exactly be trusting of a Wahhabi who was released from Abu Ghraib.
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Aug 12 14, 2:21
John Mckein with Baghdadi in Syria

http://z5.ifrm.com/30192/69/0/p1208176/12140.jpg
That was during a time when Baghdadis IS was yet part of the Free Syrian Army. Look at the flag in behindter

IS later split from FSA and even IS.

However I am not even sure if that is Baghdadi. And if he really is. This man looks completely different from that guy in the "Israeli club".
the israeli club thing is pure utter bullcrap, man for the iranian regime everything is a zionist creation, a Kurdish state is a zionist creation and god knows what else
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John Mckein with Baghdadi in Syria

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It's a fact he's trained by CIA and Mossad. When they first time announced his name months ago, there were wikileaks files about him. They had captured him 3 times in Iraq and each time they let him out lol lol
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Quoting limited to 2 levels deep http://z5.ifrm.com/30192/69/0/p1208176/12140.jpg
the israeli club thing is pure utter bullcrap, man for the iranian regime everything is a zionist creation, a Kurdish state is a zionist creation and god knows what else
Well, first we must clear up some things. Persian media didn't create this assumption. It was an American military media called VeteranToday. They were the first ones to report on this, showing the picture where Bagha is with that ugly monster in a bar.
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Quoting limited to 2 levels deephttp://z5.ifrm.com/30192/69/0/p1208176/12140.jpg
But Kurdistano remember Baghdadi was imprisoned by the USA then released. I wouldn't exactly be trusting of a Wahhabi who was released from Abu Ghraib.
US released Baghdadi? You have a source for this heval.
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Aug 12 14, 10:28
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Quoting limited to 2 levels deephttp://z5.ifrm.com/30192/69/0/p1208176/12140.jpg
Well, first we must clear up some things. Persian media didn't create this assumption. It was an American military media called VeteranToday. They were the first ones to report on this, showing the picture where Bagha is with that ugly monster in a bar.
The first time I saw this image was from Iranian sources. But even than you know "VeteranAmerica" There are also Americans who are anti Israel. Also Republicans and Liberals claim allot of bullshit about each other and use propaganda.
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Its the 72nd page of the IS thread WOOOOOH POST NOW AND GET A GUARENTEED SPOT INTO PARADISE WITH YOUR 72 VIRGINS LELELELELELE!

Spot for sale in coming days *cool

w8 hold that thought
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Quoting limited to 2 levels deephttp://z5.ifrm.com/30192/69/0/p1208176/12140.jpg
US released Baghdadi? You have a source for this heval.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27801676
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Some believe he was already a militant jihadist during the rule of Saddam Hussein. Others suggest he was radicalised during the four years he was held at Camp Bucca, a US facility in southern Iraq where many al-Qaeda commanders were detained.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10891700/Iraq-crisis-the-jihadist-behind-the-takeover-of-Mosul-and-how-America-let-him-go.html
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The FBI “most wanted” mugshot shows a tough, swarthy figure, his hair in a jailbird crew-cut. The $10 million price on his head, meanwhile, suggests that whoever released him from US custody four years ago may now be regretting it.
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BYE BYE MALIKI hehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yySAGUlnpf4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqyxzwr-bJo
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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FAR OUT guys, seeing so many baghdadi pics hurts my eyes, please cut it out of your quotes haha
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Be salameti bichi. lol
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Lt. Col. Oliver North was just on FNC, he said PM Nouri al Maliki's bodyguards were selected by Ayatollah al Sistani - he speculated that if the Ayatollah tells the PM to resign and he refuses, one of his own bodyguards might assassinate him, triggering a civil war within the Shia community, for which the US could be blamed. I know al Maliki is hardheaded, and full of himself, but how far is he willing to go? He doesn't have many friends left.
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Lt. Col. Oliver North was just on FNC, he said PM Nouri al Maliki's bodyguards were selected by Ayatollah al Sistani - he speculated that if the Ayatollah tells the PM to resign and he refuses, one of his own bodyguards might assassinate him, triggering a civil war within the Shia community, for which the US could be blamed. I know al Maliki is hardheaded, and full of himself, but how far is he willing to go? He doesn't have many friends left.
A short review of Arabic sociology;

They don't understand when spoken too.
The universal language of Arabs is violence.

Conclusion: Even in defeat and hiding he will continue. When he's either captured and put in an isolation cell or killed he will give up.
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I read Rudaw english facebook page that eh Iraqi army left Baghdad! Why!
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Aug 13 14, 7:21
I read Rudaw english facebook page that eh Iraqi army left Baghdad! Why!
Maliki is putting pressure on US not to support his removal because soon ISIS will attack baghdad. And if there is no army to protect Baghdad, it will fall into ISIS hands which USA will absolutely not let happen....

Or there could be other stupid motives.
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Fuuny how USA's creation, ISIS, is being used against them by first Kurdistan and now Maliki haha
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Aug 13 14, 9:07
Fuuny how USA's creation, ISIS, is being used against them by first Kurdistan and now Maliki haha
I don't think US is smart enough to create ISIS:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/opinion/17stein.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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FOR the past several months, I’ve been wrapping up lengthy interviews with Washington counterterrorism officials with a fundamental question: “Do you know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite?”

A “gotcha” question? Perhaps. But if knowing your enemy is the most basic rule of war, I don’t think it’s out of bounds. And as I quickly explain to my subjects, I’m not looking for theological explanations, just the basics: Who’s on what side today, and what does each want?

After all, wouldn’t British counterterrorism officials responsible for Northern Ireland know the difference between Catholics and Protestants? In a remotely similar but far more lethal vein, the 1,400-year Sunni-Shiite rivalry is playing out in the streets of Baghdad, raising the specter of a breakup of Iraq into antagonistic states, one backed by Shiite Iran and the other by Saudi Arabia and other Sunni states.

A complete collapse in Iraq could provide a haven for Al Qaeda operatives within striking distance of Israel, even Europe. And the nature of the threat from Iran, a potential nuclear power with protégés in the Gulf states, northern Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories, is entirely different from that of Al Qaeda. It seems silly to have to argue that officials responsible for counterterrorism should be able to recognize opportunities for pitting these rivals against each other.

But so far, most American officials I’ve interviewed don’t have a clue. That includes not just intelligence and law enforcement officials, but also members of Congress who have important roles overseeing our spy agencies. How can they do their jobs without knowing the basics?

My curiosity about our policymakers’ grasp of Islam’s two major branches was piqued in 2005, when Jon Stewart and other TV comedians made hash out of depositions, taken in a whistleblower case, in which top F.B.I. officials drew blanks when asked basic questions about Islam. One of the bemused officials was Gary Bald, then the bureau’s counterterrorism chief. Such expertise, Mr. Bald maintained, wasn’t as important as being a good manager.

A few months later, I asked the F.B.I.’s spokesman, John Miller, about Mr. Bald’s comments. “A leader needs to drive the organization forward,” Mr. Miller told me. “If he is the executive in a counterterrorism operation in the post-9/11 world, he does not need to memorize the collected statements of Osama bin Laden, or be able to read Urdu to be effective. ... Playing ‘Islamic Trivial Pursuit’ was a cheap shot for the lawyers and a cheaper shot for the journalist. It’s just a gimmick.”

Of course, I hadn’t asked about reading Urdu or Mr. bin Laden’s writings.

A few weeks ago, I took the F.B.I.’s temperature again. At the end of a long interview, I asked Willie Hulon, chief of the bureau’s new national security branch, whether he thought that it was important for a man in his position to know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites. “Yes, sure, it’s right to know the difference,” he said. “It’s important to know who your targets are.”

That was a big advance over 2005. So next I asked him if he could tell me the difference. He was flummoxed. “The basics goes back to their beliefs and who they were following,” he said. “And the conflicts between the Sunnis and the Shia and the difference between who they were following.”

O.K., I asked, trying to help, what about today? Which one is Iran — Sunni or Shiite? He thought for a second. “Iran and Hezbollah,” I prompted. “Which are they?”

He took a stab: “Sunni.”

Wrong.

Al Qaeda? “Sunni.”

Right.

AND to his credit, Mr. Hulon, a distinguished agent who is up nights worrying about Al Qaeda while we safely sleep, did at least know that the vicious struggle between Islam’s Abel and Cain was driving Iraq into civil war. But then we pay him to know things like that, the same as some members of Congress.

Take Representative Terry Everett, a seven-term Alabama Republican who is vice chairman of the House intelligence subcommittee on technical and tactical intelligence.

“Do you know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite?” I asked him a few weeks ago.

Mr. Everett responded with a low chuckle. He thought for a moment: “One’s in one location, another’s in another location. No, to be honest with you, I don’t know. I thought it was differences in their religion, different families or something.”

To his credit, he asked me to explain the differences. I told him briefly about the schism that developed after the death of the Prophet Muhammad, and how Iraq and Iran are majority Shiite nations while the rest of the Muslim world is mostly Sunni. “Now that you’ve explained it to me,” he replied, “what occurs to me is that it makes what we’re doing over there extremely difficult, not only in Iraq but that whole area.”

Representative Jo Ann Davis, a Virginia Republican who heads a House intelligence subcommittee charged with overseeing the C.I.A.’s performance in recruiting Islamic spies and analyzing information, was similarly dumbfounded when I asked her if she knew the difference between Sunnis and Shiites.

“Do I?” she asked me. A look of concentration came over her face. “You know, I should.” She took a stab at it: “It’s a difference in their fundamental religious beliefs. The Sunni are more radical than the Shia. Or vice versa. But I think it’s the Sunnis who’re more radical than the Shia.”

Did she know which branch Al Qaeda’s leaders follow?

“Al Qaeda is the one that’s most radical, so I think they’re Sunni,” she replied. “I may be wrong, but I think that’s right.”

Did she think that it was important, I asked, for members of Congress charged with oversight of the intelligence agencies, to know the answer to such questions, so they can cut through officials’ puffery when they came up to the Hill?

“Oh, I think it’s very important,” said Ms. Davis, “because Al Qaeda’s whole reason for being is based on their beliefs. And you’ve got to understand, and to know your enemy.”

It’s not all so grimly humorous. Some agency officials and members of Congress have easily handled my “gotcha” question. But as I keep asking it around Capitol Hill and the agencies, I get more and more blank stares. Too many officials in charge of the war on terrorism just don’t care to learn much, if anything, about the enemy we’re fighting. And that’s enough to keep anybody up at night.
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Fuuny how USA's creation, ISIS, is being used against them by first Kurdistan and now Maliki haha
I don't think US is smart enough to create ISIS:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/opinion/17stein.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Quote:
 
FOR the past several months, I’ve been wrapping up lengthy interviews with Washington counterterrorism officials with a fundamental question: “Do you know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite?”

A “gotcha” question? Perhaps. But if knowing your enemy is the most basic rule of war, I don’t think it’s out of bounds. And as I quickly explain to my subjects, I’m not looking for theological explanations, just the basics: Who’s on what side today, and what does each want?

After all, wouldn’t British counterterrorism officials responsible for Northern Ireland know the difference between Catholics and Protestants? In a remotely similar but far more lethal vein, the 1,400-year Sunni-Shiite rivalry is playing out in the streets of Baghdad, raising the specter of a breakup of Iraq into antagonistic states, one backed by Shiite Iran and the other by Saudi Arabia and other Sunni states.

A complete collapse in Iraq could provide a haven for Al Qaeda operatives within striking distance of Israel, even Europe. And the nature of the threat from Iran, a potential nuclear power with protégés in the Gulf states, northern Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories, is entirely different from that of Al Qaeda. It seems silly to have to argue that officials responsible for counterterrorism should be able to recognize opportunities for pitting these rivals against each other.

But so far, most American officials I’ve interviewed don’t have a clue. That includes not just intelligence and law enforcement officials, but also members of Congress who have important roles overseeing our spy agencies. How can they do their jobs without knowing the basics?

My curiosity about our policymakers’ grasp of Islam’s two major branches was piqued in 2005, when Jon Stewart and other TV comedians made hash out of depositions, taken in a whistleblower case, in which top F.B.I. officials drew blanks when asked basic questions about Islam. One of the bemused officials was Gary Bald, then the bureau’s counterterrorism chief. Such expertise, Mr. Bald maintained, wasn’t as important as being a good manager.

A few months later, I asked the F.B.I.’s spokesman, John Miller, about Mr. Bald’s comments. “A leader needs to drive the organization forward,” Mr. Miller told me. “If he is the executive in a counterterrorism operation in the post-9/11 world, he does not need to memorize the collected statements of Osama bin Laden, or be able to read Urdu to be effective. ... Playing ‘Islamic Trivial Pursuit’ was a cheap shot for the lawyers and a cheaper shot for the journalist. It’s just a gimmick.”

Of course, I hadn’t asked about reading Urdu or Mr. bin Laden’s writings.

A few weeks ago, I took the F.B.I.’s temperature again. At the end of a long interview, I asked Willie Hulon, chief of the bureau’s new national security branch, whether he thought that it was important for a man in his position to know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites. “Yes, sure, it’s right to know the difference,” he said. “It’s important to know who your targets are.”

That was a big advance over 2005. So next I asked him if he could tell me the difference. He was flummoxed. “The basics goes back to their beliefs and who they were following,” he said. “And the conflicts between the Sunnis and the Shia and the difference between who they were following.”

O.K., I asked, trying to help, what about today? Which one is Iran — Sunni or Shiite? He thought for a second. “Iran and Hezbollah,” I prompted. “Which are they?”

He took a stab: “Sunni.”

Wrong.

Al Qaeda? “Sunni.”

Right.

AND to his credit, Mr. Hulon, a distinguished agent who is up nights worrying about Al Qaeda while we safely sleep, did at least know that the vicious struggle between Islam’s Abel and Cain was driving Iraq into civil war. But then we pay him to know things like that, the same as some members of Congress.

Take Representative Terry Everett, a seven-term Alabama Republican who is vice chairman of the House intelligence subcommittee on technical and tactical intelligence.

“Do you know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite?” I asked him a few weeks ago.

Mr. Everett responded with a low chuckle. He thought for a moment: “One’s in one location, another’s in another location. No, to be honest with you, I don’t know. I thought it was differences in their religion, different families or something.”

To his credit, he asked me to explain the differences. I told him briefly about the schism that developed after the death of the Prophet Muhammad, and how Iraq and Iran are majority Shiite nations while the rest of the Muslim world is mostly Sunni. “Now that you’ve explained it to me,” he replied, “what occurs to me is that it makes what we’re doing over there extremely difficult, not only in Iraq but that whole area.”

Representative Jo Ann Davis, a Virginia Republican who heads a House intelligence subcommittee charged with overseeing the C.I.A.’s performance in recruiting Islamic spies and analyzing information, was similarly dumbfounded when I asked her if she knew the difference between Sunnis and Shiites.

“Do I?” she asked me. A look of concentration came over her face. “You know, I should.” She took a stab at it: “It’s a difference in their fundamental religious beliefs. The Sunni are more radical than the Shia. Or vice versa. But I think it’s the Sunnis who’re more radical than the Shia.”

Did she know which branch Al Qaeda’s leaders follow?

“Al Qaeda is the one that’s most radical, so I think they’re Sunni,” she replied. “I may be wrong, but I think that’s right.”

Did she think that it was important, I asked, for members of Congress charged with oversight of the intelligence agencies, to know the answer to such questions, so they can cut through officials’ puffery when they came up to the Hill?

“Oh, I think it’s very important,” said Ms. Davis, “because Al Qaeda’s whole reason for being is based on their beliefs. And you’ve got to understand, and to know your enemy.”

It’s not all so grimly humorous. Some agency officials and members of Congress have easily handled my “gotcha” question. But as I keep asking it around Capitol Hill and the agencies, I get more and more blank stares. Too many officials in charge of the war on terrorism just don’t care to learn much, if anything, about the enemy we’re fighting. And that’s enough to keep anybody up at night.
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Their power isn't from understanding foreign assymetric conflict. it's from finance, ww2 and defeating conventional powers like soviet union. They've been losing almost all their assymetric wars, from vietnam to iraq. They're declining now as they can't maintain a hold on their financial domination.

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Their power isn't from understanding foreign assymetric conflict. it's from finance, ww2 and defeating conventional powers like soviet union. They've been losing almost all their assymetric wars, from vietnam to iraq. They're declining now as they can't maintain a hold on their financial domination.

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I agree - more than ever before, foreign entities, some with policy goals inimical to our own, have aquired influence over our economy, and this has restricted our freedom of action. Also, Americans are deeply divided, disagreeing not only on how to achieve goals, but even on what those goals should be. Some of these can be reconciled, if both sides are determined to come together for the common good, but the will to do this may be absent; other disputes are probably irresolvable through compromise - we'll just have to hash them out somehow.
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I think half way, they say "Haywan, haywan nuri al malki" (animal). haha
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This is so disturbing.....especially when they're cutting this womens throat...... https://www.facebook.com/Kurdishchildren?fref=ts [Warning! graphic imagery and NOT SAFE FOR WORK] these pictures make so mad....
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This is so disturbing.....especially when they're cutting this womens throat...... https://www.facebook.com/Kurdishchildren?fref=ts [Warning! graphic imagery and NOT SAFE FOR WORK] these pictures make so mad....
wtf is that even for real? Some of the photos I want to believe are photoshopped, they are so sickenking...
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