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| RawandKurdistani | Aug 23 14, 4:34 Post #1801 |
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These IS terrorists are some of the greatest morons i've ever seen. You can never force anybody to believe in Islam, just another proof that these rats bend rules as they see fit. |
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I am confused by God's wisdom: In this world of States Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed, What for have they all become fugitives, condemned? Ahmad Khani Feed the hungry and visit a sick person And free the captive If he be unjustly confined Assist any person oppressed Whether Muslim or non-Muslim - Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) | |
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| Zagros | Aug 23 14, 5:17 Post #1802 |
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#Rudaw camera inside the city of #Mosul controlled by the #IS (report in Kurdish) http://rudaw.net/sorani/middleeast/iraq/220820143 |
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| Brendar | Aug 23 14, 11:24 Post #1803 |
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Thats exactly how kurds were forced into islam 1400 years ago, no surprise. |
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| lashgare | Aug 23 14, 12:00 Post #1804 |
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the entire video, they also interview them in the last part, can someone translate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx0yJhz9GhQ Edited by lashgare, Aug 23 14, 12:01.
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| Xoybun | Aug 23 14, 12:15 Post #1805 |
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Already translated I think ISIS discussion is seniors
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| RawandKurdistani | Aug 23 14, 8:56 Post #1806 |
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That's how the Persians claim they were converted. Any evidence of Kurds going through the same fate, not just a minority but the far majority? |
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I am confused by God's wisdom: In this world of States Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed, What for have they all become fugitives, condemned? Ahmad Khani Feed the hungry and visit a sick person And free the captive If he be unjustly confined Assist any person oppressed Whether Muslim or non-Muslim - Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) | |
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| Zaib | Aug 24 14, 4:42 Post #1807 |
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Rich and spoiled Arabs do not need to go away from their filthy rich countries they will live and die with their oil money so maybe by Arabs you mean Palestinians, if so then next question should be; Does anyone know how many Zionist are living in KRG controlled areas? Rather how many Israelies are controlling oil wells in KRG controlled areas Some one is helping ISIS thugs by providing them treatment in their hospitals does anyone have knowledge about that ![]() |
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| UKurd | Aug 24 14, 4:49 Post #1808 |
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just stop right their, why the fuk are you talking about zionists? please dont start spreading that bs in all the topics... |
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| lashgare | Aug 24 14, 10:06 Post #1809 |
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Just so that you know... I'm ignoring you and your sheik, you're not mentally stable individuals. You can interpretate as you want, but debating you is a waste of time and makes one more tempted to troll than debate. Edited by lashgare, Aug 24 14, 10:15.
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| Zaib | Aug 24 14, 11:20 Post #1810 |
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Why are you panicking I only posed a question.
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| kurdishpatriot | Aug 24 14, 11:26 Post #1811 |
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This forums is for kinda grown ups and not for kids that dont watch news but only facebook and blame zionists for everything bad |
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#PROMOTEWOMENRIGHTS "shengal bo ezdi ya", Ezidi namerin, HATA ARAB NAMAYEN NEK SHENGAL! "A society can never be free without women's liberation" - Abdullah Ocalan | |
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| Theplava98 | Aug 25 14, 12:40 Post #1812 |
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Zionist conspiracy theories are stupid.. Only a drunk faggot believes Obama is a reptile and that Jews are aliens.. Or that there is some stupid high class controlled by Alien reptiles.. Which are apparently the Jews.. Who believes in that shizz???
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| Kurdistano | Aug 25 14, 12:49 Post #1813 |
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apparently the majority of Middle East. Shows us why this region is still centuries behind. Edited by Kurdistano, Aug 25 14, 7:42.
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| kurdishpatriot | Aug 25 14, 2:34 Post #1814 |
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It is just anti semitism, looking for reasons to hate the jews. |
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#PROMOTEWOMENRIGHTS "shengal bo ezdi ya", Ezidi namerin, HATA ARAB NAMAYEN NEK SHENGAL! "A society can never be free without women's liberation" - Abdullah Ocalan | |
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| Partizan | Aug 25 14, 2:43 Post #1815 |
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The most likely sequence of events is that Kurds were at first force-converted by the invading Arabs, and that the remaining pagan Kurds began converting voluntarily later on as Islam became the regionally dominant religion(and as such conferred social and political advantages to its members). The "Kurds embraced Islam with open arms and were enlightened" narrative that would appeal to the likes of you, Rawand, is as much bullshit as the notion that Kurds resisted it to the bitter end. Edited by Partizan, Aug 25 14, 2:44.
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| RawandKurdistani | Aug 25 14, 3:57 Post #1816 |
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Could be, but I honestly doubt that the Arabs would have been able to get a good grip on Kurdistan due to it's terrain, which is completely alien to Arabs. The Persians lived in southern Iran and had even conquered small parts of the Arabian peninsula, they were an easy target. I'm not saying I know what happened to Kurds, but it must have been much harder for the Arabs to reach us. The situations of Kurds and Persians were much different, therefore the fate of the Persians doesn't necessarily have to count for us too. |
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I am confused by God's wisdom: In this world of States Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed, What for have they all become fugitives, condemned? Ahmad Khani Feed the hungry and visit a sick person And free the captive If he be unjustly confined Assist any person oppressed Whether Muslim or non-Muslim - Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) | |
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| lashgare | Aug 25 14, 7:16 Post #1817 |
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To be honest... I doubt it was very different from these ISIS people, probably not as many indiscriminate, religiously motivated executions though. As the saying "victor makes history" goes, that probably applies to the islamic conquest. That the early islamic conquests were largely peaceful and liberating is a myth. There are conflicting takes into the issue, but think about the nature of conquest and what was acceptable back then. Armies burned down provincial capitals(which was common for both islamic and non-islamic armies), raided surrounding towns and provincial settlements. Do you honestly think that islamic armies are some exception? Every religion sounds good on paper and in theory, but how is it applied? The notion that islamic armies, which were basically alliances of bedouin tribes who converted to islam, would go into one of the worlds richest region, and only restrict themselves to purely military conflicts, is doubtful at best(which is funny, considering the warlike nature of their society). Almost no army, religious or not, did that... and i've seen plenty of people cite hadiths which talk about how brutal muslims were against arabian pagans. You don't overcome human nature, simply because of spirituality. Christianity and judaism is no different. Christian religious orders were brutal towards the baltic pagans. As were jews of antiquity. Edited by lashgare, Aug 25 14, 7:34.
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| Kurdistano | Aug 25 14, 7:45 Post #1818 |
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@lashgare people back than were generally less civilized. What was comon in the middle ages is no excuse for what ISIS does. This is why we say we are living in the 21th century. And Most Wahabi Arabs behave like they are still in the 8th century. |
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| lashgare | Aug 25 14, 7:58 Post #1819 |
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Try to convince them of that. They don't care. They have alot of ex-criminals, mental-ill deviants, lunatics, in their ranks. They make the classical al-aqaeda look sophisticated and civilized. Edited by lashgare, Aug 25 14, 8:12.
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| Partizan | Aug 25 14, 11:12 Post #1820 |
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Nothing about that precludes the scenario I described and classified as most likely to have happened. The Kurds in the lowlands(of which you can bet there were plenty, as there are now) were subjugated and force-converted, implanting Islam which then gradually spread into the mountains through voluntary conversion as it became the dominant religion and thus conferred advantages to its members. |
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| RawandKurdistani | Aug 25 14, 5:02 Post #1821 |
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A good possibility. |
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I am confused by God's wisdom: In this world of States Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed, What for have they all become fugitives, condemned? Ahmad Khani Feed the hungry and visit a sick person And free the captive If he be unjustly confined Assist any person oppressed Whether Muslim or non-Muslim - Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) | |
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| Alasha | Aug 26 14, 10:57 Post #1822 |
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URGENT: Just got information about 600 prisoners in Mosul prison got killed by IS Will come with more info and source when i get my hand on it. |
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Jet fuel can't melt steel beams "If Turkey allows itself interfere in the matter of Kerkûk because of a few thousand Turkmen, we will do the same with regard to Diyarbakir (Amed) and other Kurdistani cities in Turkey because of 30 million Kurds." - President Masoud Barzanî | |
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| lashgare | Aug 27 14, 2:13 Post #1823 |
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ethnicity and religion? |
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| diako_ber | Aug 27 14, 2:15 Post #1824 |
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Arab Shias
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| Zagros | Aug 27 14, 5:32 Post #1825 |
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US army chief believes Turkey could help battle ISIL August 26, 2014, Tuesday/ 21:09:42/ AP / KABUL US Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters in Kabul, Afghanistan, on Tuesday that the US wants more clarity on the militants in Syria and said Turkey is among allies who could help battle the self-proclaimed Islamic State. "Clearly the picture we have of ISIS on the Iraqi side is a more refined picture," said Dempsey, using one of the acronyms for the Islamic State group. "The existence and activities of ISIS on the Syrian side, we have ... some insights into that but we certainly want to have more insights into that as we craft a way forward." The US began launching strikes against the ISIL inside Iraq earlier this month, with Obama citing the threat to American personnel in the country and a humanitarian crisis in the north as his rationale. Top Pentagon officials have said the only way the threat from the militants can be fully eliminated is to go after the group inside neighboring Syria as well. Obama has long resisted taking military action in Syria, a step that would plunge the US into a country ravaged by an intractable civil war. However, the president's calculus appears to have shifted since the ISIL announced last week that it had murdered American journalist James Foley, who was held hostage in Syria. The group is also threatening to kill other US citizens being held by the extremists in Syria. "Our message to anyone who harms our people is simple: America does not forget our reach is long," Obama said Tuesday. "We are patient. Justice will be done. We have proved time and time again we will do what's necessary to capture those who harm Americans." Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee, ranking Republican on the Foreign Relations Committee, said the administration "has not yet shared with us what their plans are." He said he hoped the White House would go to the Congress with a request for an authorization to act. "I think it's our responsibility as elected officials to let the American people know where we stand with respect to national security matters," Corker told MSNBC. "For the American people's sake, Congress should weigh in. Congress should be a part of it." Dempsey, who was in Kabul for the US military's change of command ceremony, has said he would recommend the military move against the ISIL militants if there is a threat to the homeland. He didn't rule out strikes for any other critical reasons, but listed the homeland threat as one key trigger. Dempsey also said the US has been meeting with allies in the region to help develop a better understanding of the ISIL group's threat. He said he believes those talks are now beginning to "set the conditions for some kind of coalition to form." He said they are "trying to better understand the threat that ISIS poses, not just in Iraq and Syria but regionally." Dempsey has said he believes key allies in the region - including Jordan, Turkey and Saudi Arabia - will join the US in quashing the ISIL group. Dempsey declined to comment about surveillance flights over Syria, which, according to US officials, were launched after President Barack Obama gave the OK, a move that could pave the way for airstrikes against self-proclaimed Islamic State militant targets there. While the White House says Obama has not approved military action inside Syria, additional intelligence on the militants would likely be necessary before he could take that step. Pentagon officials have been drafting potential options for the president, including airstrikes. One official said the administration has a need for reliable intelligence from Syria and called the surveillance flights an important avenue for obtaining data. Two US officials said Monday that Obama had approved the flights, while another US official said early Tuesday that they had begun. The officials were not authorized to discuss the matter by name, and spoke only on condition of anonymity. The White House would not comment on Obama's decision to authorize surveillance flights over Syria. "We're not going to comment on intelligence or operational issues, but as we've been saying, we'll use all the tools at our disposal," said Caitlin Hayden, spokeswoman for the White House National Security Council. The US had already stepped up its air surveillance of the ISIL inside Iraq earlier this year as Obama began considering the prospect of airstrikes there. And the administration has run some surveillance missions over Syria, including ahead of an attempted mission to rescue Foley and other US hostages earlier this summer. The US special forces who were sent into Syria to carry out the rescue mission did not find the hostages at the location where the military thought they were being held. Officials who confirmed the failed rescue last week said the US was continuing to seek out intelligence on the other hostages' whereabouts. Administration officials have said a concern for Obama in seeking to take out the ISIL inside Syria is the prospect that such a move could unintentionally help embattled Syrian President Bashar Assad. A top Syrian official said Monday any US airstrikes without consent from Syria would be considered an aggression. The ISIL is among the groups seeking Assad's ouster, along with rebel forces aided by the US. The White House on Monday tried to tamp down the notion that action against the ISIL could bolster Assad, with Earnest saying, "We're not interested in trying to help the Assad regime." However, he acknowledged that "there are a lot of cross pressures here." http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_us-army-chief-believes-turkey-could-help-battle-isil_356846.html Edited by Zagros, Aug 27 14, 5:33.
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