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| Worldwar2boy | Mar 1 15, 1:17 Post #2276 |
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It is in Kurdistan's best interest to look for other allies. The United States has proven to be a not so reliable ''ally''. They will only help Kurdistan when it **suits them**. That's not an ally, that's someone who uses you. An ally is someone who doesn't care about the interests of other countries when YOU are in danger and YOU require help. There have been multiple instances of US betrayal of the Kurds in the past: 1. After the 1974 Second Kurdish-Iraqi War, the US organized the Algiers Treatment in which a deal was brokered between Iraq, Syria and Iran to defeat Barzani's revolution 2. The US was Iraq's main ally during the Iran-Iraq war. US companies supplied Saddam with the chemicals necessary to produce the chemical weapons, which were used on Halabja. The US tried to cover up the al-Anfal Genocide, in which 182,000 Kurds were buried alive, and even put the blame on Iran. 3. The US installed the Shah of Iran. 4. The US lied when they promised air support in 1991. The Kurds rose up, kick Saddam out, but US air support never came. When Saddam realized this, he striked back. Over 50,000 Kurdish civilians were killed. Only then the US decided to implent the no-fly zone. 5. Close to 5,000 Americans were slaughtered by Arabs during the Iraq War. Tens of thousands more wounded. Not a single American soldier was killed, or even wounded, in Kurdistan. Guess who receives support from the US, despite being an Iranian puppet? The Arabs, not the Kurds. 6. US didn't invite the Kurds to the anti-ISIS conference in London several weeks ago. So, if you're an American, please ask yourself: Why should the Kurds trust the United States? Israel has been the only country who has DIRECTLY supported Kurds and the only country in the entire world that has called for an independent Kurdish state. THE ONLY ONE. On top of that, the following countries have supplied arms to the Peshmerga directly: Germany & Italy They don't seem to care about what the central government (Baghdad) thinks, but the US unfortunately does. While the Kurds are desperate for weapons, the US refuses to supply any decent armor. On the other hand, Lebanon just received over $30 million worth of advanced weapons from the United States, including 70 heavy artillery pieces. |
| biji kurd u kurdistan !! | |
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| Ali Alqosh | Mar 1 15, 1:19 Post #2277 |
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There are clear evidence. I'n not your teacher if you truely care go find them yourelf. I don't remember every site and thing I have read and its source of origin. What about the tapes? What about the fact that the administration was warned hour before the tein towers yet ruled out such a possibility?! LOL you say they didn't expect that yet the Pentagon has a plan of what to do if there is a zombie outbreak but nooo no way that they might fly right in to the twin towers. |
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| Kurdistano | Mar 1 15, 1:19 Post #2278 |
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I have realized virtually like 70% of the conspiracies made against US are directly from Iran. What a suprise lol. They are like the first league of conspiracy theorists. Than comes Turkey and Iraqi countries with the rest 30%. And yes I have seen Turkey making up theories that PKK= USA backed. And than I see from some extrem communist freaks close to PKK this, US Capitalists-Israel behind all the bad things in the Near East. At the end of the day anyone simply builds their own conspiracy around US and Israel and they are accusing each other of that lol. Edited by Kurdistano, Mar 1 15, 1:20.
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| Ali Alqosh | Mar 1 15, 1:22 Post #2279 |
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Read this. |
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| Ali Alqosh | Mar 1 15, 1:26 Post #2280 |
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WW2boy that is exactly how I think. An ally is partner and a bussiness partner, no more. A friend is one who can help you when they get nothing back from the Co-operation. |
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| Kurdistano | Mar 1 15, 1:26 Post #2281 |
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Why read this? WW2 boy is known to be sometimes far too emotional, similar to Sunchild. There was a time when he would defend anything about US. Saying "F**k US heil Israel" is like saying "F**k Iran heil Syria" lol I think WW2 is just pissed on the Obama admistration and everything he described is connected to that. And I kinda agree with him here. And when he likes Israel he automatically is rather pro Republican simple as that. Saying F**k US in geopolitics is like doing suicide in our situation. In our situation you need good relationship to all. Europe, US, Russia and China. Edited by Kurdistano, Mar 1 15, 1:28.
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| Ali Alqosh | Mar 1 15, 1:29 Post #2282 |
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Yeah well that is npt the same thing. When it comes to Kurdistan US and Israeli interessts crash so I wouldnt say it is the same thing. That is what I've been saying. I never said we shouldn't make business and have diplomatic relations with americans. I have always said that we should be neutral when it comes to foreign politics. Although I will always dislike the US. I care for other human being aswell. Not just our own people. They messed up southamerica and asia and I will never forget how they went to the moon with a sign saying "We came in peace for all mankind" while at the same time dropping 8 megatons of explosives all over Asia. But on the lifeless rock they come in peace. Bitch sitt down. I will always hate the US. EDIT: I didn't call you a bitch rather the americans that went to the moon with that sign
Edited by Ali Alqosh, Mar 1 15, 1:37.
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| kurdishpatriot | Mar 1 15, 1:33 Post #2283 |
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secular sheikh
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biji israel zionism illominauti.
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#PROMOTEWOMENRIGHTS "shengal bo ezdi ya", Ezidi namerin, HATA ARAB NAMAYEN NEK SHENGAL! "A society can never be free without women's liberation" - Abdullah Ocalan | |
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| Worldwar2boy | Mar 1 15, 1:48 Post #2284 |
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That's bull shizz. A lot of the major betrayals were 3-5 decades ago. Obama has been in office for what, 5-6 years? Also, no. It's not the same as that. During the First Kurdish-Iraqi War, Israel supported Kurdistan, while the US worked against it. And right now, Israel called for an independent Kurdish state, while the US still fights it with their bullshit about a ''united Iraq''. When Saddam was threatening with the destruction of Israel, the US was supplying Saddam with weapons. List goes on. Your comparison is bad and you should feel bad. |
| biji kurd u kurdistan !! | |
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| Kurdistano | Mar 1 15, 1:56 Post #2285 |
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I am not going to waste more time with this conspiracy nonsense. You can believe what you want. It is normal that humans believe what they want to believe. So if someone has anti US sentiments he will automatically jump on the conspiracy horse no matter how weak that horse is. The US has always it's own interests in front you can't expect from them to put aside all their interests for us. Would we do the same for them? The only thing we can do is make ourselve a more priority interest for US, Russia and Europe. But that things have changed and we are indeed "important" for US policy should have become visible to anyone who is not totally blinded by his anti US views. When Daash attacked Bashur even the extremely passive Obama administration had to intervene. Pressure from inside? But that wasn't even part of our discussion this all has not much to do with the conspiracies. Edited by Kurdistano, Mar 1 15, 4:26.
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| Şirnex | Mar 1 15, 2:31 Post #2286 |
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and you really think that isnt the case with israel? israels only interest is to use kurds against assad and iran. they are pragmatic, not friends. Edited by Şirnex, Mar 1 15, 2:33.
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| kurdishpatriot | Mar 1 15, 2:33 Post #2287 |
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nope the case is to get their first ally in the middle east
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#PROMOTEWOMENRIGHTS "shengal bo ezdi ya", Ezidi namerin, HATA ARAB NAMAYEN NEK SHENGAL! "A society can never be free without women's liberation" - Abdullah Ocalan | |
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| Şirnex | Mar 1 15, 2:44 Post #2288 |
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yeah, but your view about isreal is bullshit. we cant trust them, and they are not our friends. political ties, diplomatic relations is something different. ww2boy says US only support us when they benefit from it, the same we can surely say about israel and all other states. Edited by Şirnex, Mar 1 15, 2:50.
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| Worldwar2boy | Mar 1 15, 3:00 Post #2289 |
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It s better if you log-out and don't return to this forum anymore. Study Israeli-Kurdish relations a bit more, and then reconsider the BS you spewed on this forum again. And again. Israeli-Kurdish ties are almost as old as the creation of the Israeli state. |
| biji kurd u kurdistan !! | |
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| Şirnex | Mar 1 15, 3:08 Post #2290 |
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better stop kissing israeli asses, its embarrasing
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| jjmuneer | Mar 1 15, 3:42 Post #2291 |
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Merg û Şeref
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All a conspiracy means is someone plotting. So yes Britain and America have plotted in the past. And so what if Jim agrees with you, is he the king of opinions or something? Just read:
They had to remove Abdul Karim Kassim because he was too left-leaning and no longer their man. Same happened in 1953 with the Shah of Iran being directly installed by the CIA. Edited by jjmuneer, Mar 1 15, 3:53.
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| Zinar | Mar 1 15, 8:40 Post #2292 |
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hundreds if not thousands of kurds are dying every week fighting turkey, Daash and iran Mr lasghare but we dont see you write anything about them but when Daash destroys some assyrian statues lasghar goes berserker mode something weird here why do these statues bother you so much? Do you value these statues higher than your countrymen?
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| Kurdistano | Mar 2 15, 12:39 Post #2293 |
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Just a week ago I remember we had this discussion after an Libyan video was posted in which Muslim Brotherhood related TV claimed some "unknown" (and therefore Obama Jet) was providing Daash with weapons. Well I and Fulcrum told that it is much more likely that any other country in the region is behind this. Today I saw an German article in which it said Libyan Prime Minister has accused Turkey of providing weapons to radicals in Libya and threatens to kick all Turkish companies out of the country if they don't stop. So much to my words. But some people will always believe everything without questioning it. As I said Libyan fighters who joined in Syria Al Nusra and Daash = Muslim Brotherhood. There are far too many countries in the region who do use the Daash for their own goals. http://wirtschaftsblatt.at/home/nachrichten/international/4670208/Libyen-droht-turkischen-Firmen-mit-Rausschmiss Edited by Kurdistano, Mar 2 15, 12:39.
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| Kurdistano | Mar 2 15, 12:41 Post #2294 |
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According to Baghdad most of these statues are copies. The originals are in Baghdad they say. http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/28022015 |
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| Deleted User | Mar 2 15, 12:42 Post #2295 |
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Exactly! They all love Ataturk |
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| ALAN | Mar 2 15, 10:38 Post #2296 |
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http://rudaw.net/Embed.aspx?ID=52242 |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| Frenchy | Mar 3 15, 12:43 Post #2297 |
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National Museum of Art of Daash
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" The stinky meat, the smelly meat, maggots strolling inside, 162 is not a regiment of lousy! " ☧ ن FrFrFr 162nd Infantry Regiment's chant during World War One | |
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| Worldwar2boy | Mar 3 15, 1:44 Post #2298 |
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PKK attacks Israel. Israel responds. It's only political on Israel's part. Also: PKK leader calling for PKK to lay down arms So what's more embarrassing? Lol |
| biji kurd u kurdistan !! | |
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| Şirnex | Mar 3 15, 2:45 Post #2299 |
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you are not kurd, you are israeli. we have nothing in common with them |
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| Alasha | Mar 3 15, 5:58 Post #2300 |
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This is for you kurdistano and others who label anything questionable about US as conspiracy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6kdi1UXxhY |
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Jet fuel can't melt steel beams "If Turkey allows itself interfere in the matter of Kerkûk because of a few thousand Turkmen, we will do the same with regard to Diyarbakir (Amed) and other Kurdistani cities in Turkey because of 30 million Kurds." - President Masoud Barzanî | |
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Do you value these statues higher than your countrymen?



7:20 PM Jul 11