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Worldwar2boy
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It is in Kurdistan's best interest to look for other allies. The United States has proven to be a not so reliable ''ally''.
They will only help Kurdistan when it **suits them**. That's not an ally, that's someone who uses you. An ally is someone who doesn't care about the interests of other countries when YOU are in danger and YOU require help. There have been multiple instances of US betrayal of the Kurds in the past:

1. After the 1974 Second Kurdish-Iraqi War, the US organized the Algiers Treatment in which a deal was brokered between Iraq, Syria and Iran to defeat Barzani's revolution

2. The US was Iraq's main ally during the Iran-Iraq war. US companies supplied Saddam with the chemicals necessary to produce the chemical weapons, which were used on Halabja. The US tried to cover up the al-Anfal Genocide, in which 182,000 Kurds were buried alive, and even put the blame on Iran.

3. The US installed the Shah of Iran.

4. The US lied when they promised air support in 1991. The Kurds rose up, kick Saddam out, but US air support never came. When Saddam realized this, he striked back. Over 50,000 Kurdish civilians were killed. Only then the US decided to implent the no-fly zone.

5. Close to 5,000 Americans were slaughtered by Arabs during the Iraq War. Tens of thousands more wounded. Not a single American soldier was killed, or even wounded, in Kurdistan. Guess who receives support from the US, despite being an Iranian puppet? The Arabs, not the Kurds.

6. US didn't invite the Kurds to the anti-ISIS conference in London several weeks ago.


So, if you're an American, please ask yourself:

Why should the Kurds trust the United States?


Israel has been the only country who has DIRECTLY supported Kurds and the only country in the entire world that has called for an independent Kurdish state. THE ONLY ONE.

On top of that, the following countries have supplied arms to the Peshmerga directly: Germany & Italy

They don't seem to care about what the central government (Baghdad) thinks, but the US unfortunately does.

While the Kurds are desperate for weapons, the US refuses to supply any decent armor.

On the other hand, Lebanon just received over $30 million worth of advanced weapons from the United States, including 70 heavy artillery pieces.


biji kurd u kurdistan !!
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There are clear evidence. I'n not your teacher if you truely care go find them yourelf. I don't remember every site and thing I have read and its source of origin.
What about the tapes? What about the fact that the administration was warned hour before the tein towers yet ruled out such a possibility?! LOL you say they didn't expect that yet the Pentagon has a plan of what to do if there is a zombie outbreak but nooo no way that they might fly right in to the twin towers.
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Mar 1 15, 12:48

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All these conspiracies are only against the west and Israel. Claiming that zionists are devilworshipers, and illoominauty. You know who spread this bs first of all? IRAN, you know who follows it? TURKEY, THERE ARE EVEN TURKS CLAIMING PKK=USA I JUST READ. i mean how people can be so retarded, they seriously got no common sense. PKK=COMMUNIST. USA=CAPITALIST. And there are few lot more LOGICAL reasons why conspiracies are bs.
I have realized virtually like 70% of the conspiracies made against US are directly from Iran. What a suprise lol. They are like the first league of conspiracy theorists.

Than comes Turkey and Iraqi countries with the rest 30%. And yes I have seen Turkey making up theories that PKK= USA backed. And than I see from some extrem communist freaks close to PKK this, US Capitalists-Israel behind all the bad things in the Near East.


At the end of the day anyone simply builds their own conspiracy around US and Israel and they are accusing each other of that lol.
Edited by Kurdistano, Mar 1 15, 1:20.
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Worldwar2boy
Mar 1 15, 1:17
It is in Kurdistan's best interest to look for other allies. The United States has proven to be a not so reliable ''ally''.
They will only help Kurdistan when it **suits them**. That's not an ally, that's someone who uses you. An ally is someone who doesn't care about the interests of other countries when YOU are in danger and YOU require help. There have been multiple instances of US betrayal of the Kurds in the past:

1. After the 1974 Second Kurdish-Iraqi War, the US organized the Algiers Treatment in which a deal was brokered between Iraq, Syria and Iran to defeat Barzani's revolution

2. The US was Iraq's main ally during the Iran-Iraq war. US companies supplied Saddam with the chemicals necessary to produce the chemical weapons, which were used on Halabja. The US tried to cover up the al-Anfal Genocide, in which 182,000 Kurds were buried alive, and even put the blame on Iran.

3. The US installed the Shah of Iran.

4. The US lied when they promised air support in 1991. The Kurds rose up, kick Saddam out, but US air support never came. When Saddam realized this, he striked back. Over 50,000 Kurdish civilians were killed. Only then the US decided to implent the no-fly zone.

5. Close to 5,000 Americans were slaughtered by Arabs during the Iraq War. Tens of thousands more wounded. Not a single American soldier was killed, or even wounded, in Kurdistan. Guess who receives support from the US, despite being an Iranian puppet? The Arabs, not the Kurds.

6. US didn't invite the Kurds to the anti-ISIS conference in London several weeks ago.


So, if you're an American, please ask yourself:

Why should the Kurds trust the United States?


Israel has been the only country who has DIRECTLY supported Kurds and the only country in the entire world that has called for an independent Kurdish state. THE ONLY ONE.

On top of that, the following countries have supplied arms to the Peshmerga directly: Germany & Italy

They don't seem to care about what the central government (Baghdad) thinks, but the US unfortunately does.

While the Kurds are desperate for weapons, the US refuses to supply any decent armor.

On the other hand, Lebanon just received over $30 million worth of advanced weapons from the United States, including 70 heavy artillery pieces.


Read this.
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WW2boy that is exactly how I think. An ally is partner and a bussiness partner, no more. A friend is one who can help you when they get nothing back from the Co-operation.
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Ali Alqosh
Mar 1 15, 1:22
Worldwar2boy
Mar 1 15, 1:17
It is in Kurdistan's best interest to look for other allies. The United States has proven to be a not so reliable ''ally''.
They will only help Kurdistan when it **suits them**. That's not an ally, that's someone who uses you. An ally is someone who doesn't care about the interests of other countries when YOU are in danger and YOU require help. There have been multiple instances of US betrayal of the Kurds in the past:

1. After the 1974 Second Kurdish-Iraqi War, the US organized the Algiers Treatment in which a deal was brokered between Iraq, Syria and Iran to defeat Barzani's revolution

2. The US was Iraq's main ally during the Iran-Iraq war. US companies supplied Saddam with the chemicals necessary to produce the chemical weapons, which were used on Halabja. The US tried to cover up the al-Anfal Genocide, in which 182,000 Kurds were buried alive, and even put the blame on Iran.

3. The US installed the Shah of Iran.

4. The US lied when they promised air support in 1991. The Kurds rose up, kick Saddam out, but US air support never came. When Saddam realized this, he striked back. Over 50,000 Kurdish civilians were killed. Only then the US decided to implent the no-fly zone.

5. Close to 5,000 Americans were slaughtered by Arabs during the Iraq War. Tens of thousands more wounded. Not a single American soldier was killed, or even wounded, in Kurdistan. Guess who receives support from the US, despite being an Iranian puppet? The Arabs, not the Kurds.

6. US didn't invite the Kurds to the anti-ISIS conference in London several weeks ago.


So, if you're an American, please ask yourself:

Why should the Kurds trust the United States?


Israel has been the only country who has DIRECTLY supported Kurds and the only country in the entire world that has called for an independent Kurdish state. THE ONLY ONE.

On top of that, the following countries have supplied arms to the Peshmerga directly: Germany & Italy

They don't seem to care about what the central government (Baghdad) thinks, but the US unfortunately does.

While the Kurds are desperate for weapons, the US refuses to supply any decent armor.

On the other hand, Lebanon just received over $30 million worth of advanced weapons from the United States, including 70 heavy artillery pieces.


Read this.
Why read this?

WW2 boy is known to be sometimes far too emotional, similar to Sunchild. There was a time when he would defend anything about US.


Saying "F**k US heil Israel" is like saying "F**k Iran heil Syria" lol



I think WW2 is just pissed on the Obama admistration and everything he described is connected to that. And I kinda agree with him here.

And when he likes Israel he automatically is rather pro Republican simple as that. Saying F**k US in geopolitics is like doing suicide in our situation.

In our situation you need good relationship to all. Europe, US, Russia and China.
Edited by Kurdistano, Mar 1 15, 1:28.
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Mar 1 15, 1:26
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Mar 1 15, 1:22

Quoting limited to 2 levels deepWhy should the Kurds trust the United States?


Israel has been the only country who has DIRECTLY supported Kurds and the only country in the entire world that has called for an independent Kurdish state. THE ONLY ONE
Why read this?

WW2 boy is known to be sometimes far too emotional, similar to Sunchild. There was a time when he would defend anything about US.


Saying "F**k US heil Israel" is like saying "F**k Iran heil Syria" lol



I think WW2 is just pissed on the Obama admistration and everything he described is connected to that. And I kinda agree with him here.

And when he likes Israel he automatically is rather pro Republican simple as that. Saying F**k US in geopolitics is like doing suicide in our situation.

In our situation you need good relationship to all. Europe, US, Russia and China.
Yeah well that is npt the same thing. When it comes to Kurdistan US and Israeli interessts crash so I wouldnt say it is the same thing.

That is what I've been saying. I never said we shouldn't make business and have diplomatic relations with americans. I have always said that we should be neutral when it comes to foreign politics.

Although I will always dislike the US. I care for other human being aswell. Not just our own people. They messed up southamerica and asia and I will never forget how they went to the moon with a sign saying "We came in peace for all mankind" while at the same time dropping 8 megatons of explosives all over Asia. But on the lifeless rock they come in peace.

Bitch sitt down. I will always hate the US.

EDIT: I didn't call you a bitch rather the americans that went to the moon with that sign :)
Edited by Ali Alqosh, Mar 1 15, 1:37.
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biji israel zionism illominauti.
Edited by kurdishpatriot, Mar 1 15, 1:33.
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Mar 1 15, 1:26
Ali Alqosh
Mar 1 15, 1:22

Quoting limited to 2 levels deepWhy should the Kurds trust the United States?


Israel has been the only country who has DIRECTLY supported Kurds and the only country in the entire world that has called for an independent Kurdish state. THE ONLY ONE
Why read this?

WW2 boy is known to be sometimes far too emotional, similar to Sunchild. There was a time when he would defend anything about US.


Saying "F**k US heil Israel" is like saying "F**k Iran heil Syria" lol



I think WW2 is just pissed on the Obama admistration and everything he described is connected to that. And I kinda agree with him here.

And when he likes Israel he automatically is rather pro Republican simple as that. Saying F**k US in geopolitics is like doing suicide in our situation.

In our situation you need good relationship to all. Europe, US, Russia and China.
That's bull shizz. A lot of the major betrayals were 3-5 decades ago. Obama has been in office for what, 5-6 years?

Also, no. It's not the same as that. During the First Kurdish-Iraqi War, Israel supported Kurdistan, while the US worked against it.
And right now, Israel called for an independent Kurdish state, while the US still fights it with their bullshit about a ''united Iraq''.
When Saddam was threatening with the destruction of Israel, the US was supplying Saddam with weapons.

List goes on. Your comparison is bad and you should feel bad.
biji kurd u kurdistan !!
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I am not going to waste more time with this conspiracy nonsense. You can believe what you want. It is normal that humans believe what they want to believe. So if someone has anti US sentiments he will automatically jump on the conspiracy horse no matter how weak that horse is.

The US has always it's own interests in front you can't expect from them to put aside all their interests for us. Would we do the same for them?

The only thing we can do is make ourselve a more priority interest for US, Russia and Europe.

But that things have changed and we are indeed "important" for US policy should have become visible to anyone who is not totally blinded by his anti US views. When Daash attacked Bashur even the extremely passive Obama administration had to intervene. Pressure from inside?


But that wasn't even part of our discussion this all has not much to do with the conspiracies.
Edited by Kurdistano, Mar 1 15, 4:26.
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Mar 1 15, 1:17
It is in Kurdistan's best interest to look for other allies. The United States has proven to be a not so reliable ''ally''.
They will only help Kurdistan when it **suits them**.
and you really think that isnt the case with israel? israels only interest is to use kurds against assad and iran. they are pragmatic, not friends.
Edited by Şirnex, Mar 1 15, 2:33.
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Worldwar2boy
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It is in Kurdistan's best interest to look for other allies. The United States has proven to be a not so reliable ''ally''.
They will only help Kurdistan when it **suits them**.
and you really think that isnt the case with israel? israels only interest is to use kurds against assad, iraq and iran
nope the case is to get their first ally in the middle east ;)
Edited by kurdishpatriot, Mar 1 15, 2:34.
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nope the case is to get their first ally in the middle east ;)
yeah, but your view about isreal is bullshit. we cant trust them, and they are not our friends.
political ties, diplomatic relations is something different. ww2boy says US only support us when they benefit from it, the same we can surely say about israel and all other states.
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yeah, but your view about isreal is bullshit. we cant trust them, and they are not our friends.
political ties, diplomatic relations is something different. ww2boy says US only support us when they benefit from it, the same we can surely say about israel and all other states.
It s better if you log-out and don't return to this forum anymore.

Study Israeli-Kurdish relations a bit more, and then reconsider the BS you spewed on this forum again. And again.

Israeli-Kurdish ties are almost as old as the creation of the Israeli state.
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It s better if you log-out and don't return to this forum anymore.

better stop kissing israeli asses, its embarrasing

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God were do you guys learn history? The school of conspiracy land? It's getting really said, It's like I am listening to Khomenei, Assad, Maliki or Erdogan personally.

The whole Forum has turned into conspiracylend I have to agree with Jim here.

Saddam wasn't installed by anyone. He went into the Baath Partei in which he himself started a coup against anyone in his own party and the parliament

But just like most dictators in the Middle East. When they were on power, western countries closed their eyes over his doings for long time, for economic interests.

But exactly the same is done by anyone. I haven't yet seen Russia as example comment once about all the cruelty Syria or Iran has done againat it's minorities. have you?

No one puts us infront of their own interests. So what we need to do is, make us their priority interest.
All a conspiracy means is someone plotting. So yes Britain and America have plotted in the past. And so what if Jim agrees with you, is he the king of opinions or something?

Just read:
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rmy officers with ties to the Ba'ath Party overthrew Qasim in the Ramadan Revolution coup of 1963. Ba'athist leaders were appointed to the cabinet and Abdul Salam Arif became president. The governments of the United States and United Kingdom were complicit in the coup.[25] Arif dismissed and arrested the Ba'athist leaders later that year in the November 1963 Iraqi coup d'état.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein#Rise_to_power


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Qasim soon withdrew Iraq from the pro-Western Baghdad Pact and established friendly relations with the Soviet Union. Iraq also abolished its Treaty of mutual security and bilateral relations with the UK. Also, Iraq withdrew from the agreement with the United States that was signed by the monarchy from 1954 to 1955 regarding military, arms, and equipment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Karim_Qasim#Power_struggles


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Qasim’s position was fatally weakened by 1962. His overthrow took place the following year. The perpetrators were the Ba’ath party. By 1962, the Ba’ath was on the rise as a new group of leaders under the tutelage of Ali Salih al-Sa’di began to re-invigorate the party. The Ba’ath Party was now able to plot Qasim’s removal.


Qasim dead
Qasim was overthrown by the Ba'athist coup of February 8, 1963, motivated by fear of communist influence and state control over the petroleum sector. The British and American governments denied complicity in the coup although some speculate there may have been some.[31][32][33] NSC staff member Robert Komer sent a memo to President John F. Kennedy on the night of the coup, February 8, 1963. The last paragraph reads:

"We will make informal friendly noises as soon as we can find out whom to talk with, and ought to recognize as soon as we’re sure these guys are firmly in the saddle. CIA had excellent reports on the plotting, but I doubt either they or UK should claim much credit for it."


They had to remove Abdul Karim Kassim because he was too left-leaning and no longer their man. Same happened in 1953 with the Shah of Iran being directly installed by the CIA.
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I want to murder Daash after seeing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEYX_CbwAD8
hundreds if not thousands of kurds are dying every week fighting turkey, Daash and iran Mr lasghare but we dont see you write anything about them but when Daash destroys some assyrian statues lasghar goes berserker mode something weird here why do these statues bother you so much? hmmm Do you value these statues higher than your countrymen?
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Just a week ago I remember we had this discussion after an Libyan video was posted in which Muslim Brotherhood related TV claimed some "unknown" (and therefore Obama Jet) was providing Daash with weapons.

Well I and Fulcrum told that it is much more likely that any other country in the region is behind this.

Today I saw an German article in which it said Libyan Prime Minister has accused Turkey of providing weapons to radicals in Libya and threatens to kick all Turkish companies out of the country if they don't stop. So much to my words. But some people will always believe everything without questioning it.

As I said Libyan fighters who joined in Syria Al Nusra and Daash = Muslim Brotherhood. There are far too many countries in the region who do use the Daash for their own goals.

http://wirtschaftsblatt.at/home/nachrichten/international/4670208/Libyen-droht-turkischen-Firmen-mit-Rausschmiss
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I want to murder Daash after seeing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEYX_CbwAD8
hundreds if not thousands of kurds are dying every week fighting turkey, Daash and iran Mr lasghare but we dont see you write anything about them but when Daash destroys some assyrian statues lasghar goes berserker mode something weird here why do these statues bother you so much? hmmm Do you value these statues higher than your countrymen?
According to Baghdad most of these statues are copies. The originals are in Baghdad they say.

http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/28022015
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better stop kissing israeli asses, its embarrasing

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Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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better stop kissing israeli asses, its embarrasing

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PKK attacks Israel.
Israel responds.
It's only political on Israel's part.
Also: PKK leader calling for PKK to lay down arms haha
So what's more embarrassing? Lol
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PKK attacks Israel.
Israel responds.
It's only political on Israel's part.
Also: PKK leader calling for PKK to lay down arms haha
So what's more embarrassing? Lol
you are not kurd, you are israeli. we have nothing in common with them
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This is for you kurdistano and others who label anything questionable about US as conspiracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6kdi1UXxhY
Jet fuel can't melt steel beams

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