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| Israeli think-tank suggests letting the 'islamic state' exist; How the 'islamic state' could benefit the west | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 31 16, 9:41 (1,873 Views) | |
| Chatulio | Aug 31 16, 9:41 Post #1 |
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Hello everyone, according to the german news-outlet n-tv, an israeli think tank is seriously suggesting letting the so-called 'islamic state' continue to exist to benefit western security. http://www.n-tv.de/politik/Wie-der-IS-dem-Westen-nutzen-koennte-article18525596.html A rough translation would be about as follows: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ![]() Destroyed IS-banner at the entrance to the town Qayara that has been liberated from the caliphate. (Photo: AP) Tuesday, 30th of August 2016 Will everything be better without the caliphate? How the so-called IS could benefit the west What comes after the 'islamic state'? Militarily cornered, the caliphate 'counts its days'. But is the extermination of the terror-militia really a good idea? Or could the 'IS' benefit the fit? Absolutely, it is said in Israel. Can the west have an interest in a continued existence of the terror-organisation 'islamic state'? From Israel of all places, one of the declared arch-enemies of the self-declared caliphate, kommt an odd thesis that says: Yes, the complete annihilation of the IS's structures would be a strategic mistake. The west should continue to work on weakening the IS, but its complete destruction would be counter-productive, writes Efraim Inbar, the director of the Begin-Sadat-Center for strategic studies, a right-wring conservative think-tank, that researches for the israeli government and NATO, among other clients. The west considers the actions of the IS as thoroughly brutal and amoral. Thousands of humans are killed in sometimes bestial ways by the militias. But the west should not let rightous outrage block the clear sight of the facts. The IS only has very limited military abilities. The terror militia is a counter for other enemies of the west, argues, Inbar. Military successes the organisation could, according to the think-tank, only achieve, where there is or was political void. Offensives in Iraq and Syria had demonstrated, that the IS has limited tactical abilities. But they were attacks on failed states with weak militaries. The same argumentation is applied to the IS's successes in Lybia. Whenever the islamists came under military pressure, they have always shown, how weak the structures of their organisation are on the battlefield - like in battle against the turkish army or the Peshmerga. Higher death-risk for terrorists As long as the IS exists, it would give young and frustrated radical muslims a home, says Inbar. That way violent radicals would be easily identifiable, as they'd be in a specific region. If the caliphate should cease to exist one day, it would be more probable, that radicals would return to the home-nations to commit violent acts there. Inbar wars of the creation of a terroristic diaspora and stresses that one would havve to allow the following cynic calculation: On the terroritory of the IS, every potential terrorist has a much higher risk of being killed. Especially fighters, who die on the battlefield, would be a blessing for their homelands, from which they travelled to the IS, writes Inbar. As long as the IS remains alive, there'd be a mathmetical chance, that more potential terrorists die on the battlefields of Syria and Iraq. That's what the west should be interested in. These radicals could've commited acts of terrorism in Paris or Berlin. Additionally a weaker and, metaphorically critically injured, islamic state could disillusionize young radicals and keep them from travelling to the IS. In any case a weaker islamic state would have less symbolic power than a caliphate that was annihilated by a mighty US-lead coalition - and so keep the legend of a west, that always fights against islam, alive. And in the end, the IS also fulfills an important function for Israel. As long as the militia exists, the 'bad guys' of the region are busy. Inbar speaks of the Hisbollah, the Al-Nusra Front, Syria's president Assad and naturally Iran. He understands the IS as a sort of buffer against all enemies, that Israel has in the region. "It sounds cynic, but this way the bad guys remain occupied and have elss time to attack the good guys", writes Inbar. Naturally someone from the right-wing spectrum of Israel sees Israel and the west always as the 'good guys'. But if the IS is destroyed, the iranian hegemony-fantasies may be boosted, Russia would be encouraged to be active in the region and the tyranny of Assad would be extended - all that is not in Israel's interest. But Israel's most powerful ally has not understood yet, how the IS can be used. "The american government has not understood, that the IS can be a useful weapon against the hegemony of Iran in the region", is written at the end of the thesis. Source: n-tv.de , bdk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I myself, consider this thesis and Inbar's explanations as highly dubious. For one, he seems to assume that the number of potential terrorists is fixed. But it seems that the existence of the so-called 'islamic state' has increased the number of potential terrorists world-wide. So its existence in itself is a security threat. Removing it may lead to a diaspora of survivors, but we already have IS-members among the refugees, so it seems this diaspora has already begun and is not tied to the destruction of the 'islamic state', but to the defeat being obvious to the members. Also he both argues that potential terrorists would go to the IS and that a weakened IS would keep them from going to the IS ... which is sort of a contradiction. That the demise of the IS at the hands of a US-lead coalition might be symbolic sounds plausible, but I'd also see the risk that the symbolism of an IS that continues to exist despite the aforementioned coalition is stronger, a legend of an islamistic caliphate that resisted successfully and survived the west's onslaught would be the last the west wants. Now that the west is commited, it should go through with it and see the socalled caliphate destroyed. And using the IS as a 'weapon' to keep other factions busy would mean intentionally accepting an ongoing and brutal war in the region for the forseeable future. To call that cynic may be an understatement. In the final analysis, they may be risks and drawbacks attached to it, but I'd see the destruction of the caliphate, as much as it can be destroyed outside the internet, to be the only clean solution to the current situation. What conflicts come afterwards, we'll need to deal with at that time. (And historically such 'deals with the devil' have rarely, if ever, worked out as intended.) With best regards, Chatulio Edited by Chatulio, Aug 31 16, 9:44.
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| kurdishpatriot | Sep 1 16, 2:29 Post #2 |
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Honestly isis benefitted kurds, they take ground from our enemies with superior armies, and then we take it over from isis who are scared of our girls. We took most of western and south kurdistan.
Edited by kurdishpatriot, Sep 1 16, 2:35.
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