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ILAM - EASTERN KURDISTAN; Pahli/fayli ancestral homeland
Topic Started: Jan 19 13, 9:19 (18,766 Views)
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thank you keep up updated looks amazing btw :)
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Jan 20 13, 2:49
thank you keep up updated looks amazing btw :)
That small city/large town is Darreh shahr city in Ilam. Apparently on Wiki it labels it as Kurdish with Lor minority, lol even though Lors who are Fayli are Kurds and call themselves as such.

Kabir Kuh mountain in Ilam:
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JJmuneer, it's not be an annoying troll, but you always used to claim Kermashan as your hometown, didn't you?
I am confused by God's wisdom:
In this world of States
Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed,
What for have they all become fugitives, condemned?


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Jan 20 13, 5:29
JJmuneer, it's not be an annoying troll, but you always used to claim Kermashan as your hometown, didn't you?
What do you mean used to? I have family in Kirmanshan from my mum's side, I never stated otherwise. I have family in most of the pahli Kurdish regions. But what I meant is that there are Faylis there, that is all. We have links to them. Ilam is the heartland of the Shirwani and Arkawazi Kurds, you can even visit the town of Pahla in Ilam and the tribe eldars will tell you. But if you mean which one do I identify with? Well I don't really like to identify with Kirmanshani side, because Kirmanshan sadly has a Persian population in it who have businesses aswell as the general feel of the city, it is strongly occupied by Iranian gaurds.
I don't really know how to explain it, but I feel because Ilam is the heartland of the Fayli Kurds I feel more at home there, well western lorestan aswell, but previous to WW1 pretty much Western Lorestan, Ilam and Mandali/badra were apart of one semi-independant Kurdish state.
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Jan 20 13, 5:51
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JJmuneer, it's not be an annoying troll, but you always used to claim Kermashan as your hometown, didn't you?
What do you mean used to? I have family in Kirmanshan from my mum's side, I never stated otherwise. I have family in most of the pahli Kurdish regions. But what I meant is that there are Faylis there, that is all. We have links to them. Ilam is the heartland of the Shirwani and Arkawazi Kurds, you can even visit the town of Pahla in Ilam and the tribe eldars will tell you. But if you mean which one do I identify with? Well I don't really like to identify with Kirmanshani side, because Kirmanshan sadly has a Persian population in it who have businesses aswell as the general feel of the city, it is strongly occupied by Iranian gaurds.
I don't really know how to explain it, but I feel because Ilam is the heartland of the Fayli Kurds I feel more at home there, well western lorestan aswell, but previous to WW1 pretty much Western Lorestan, Ilam and Mandali/badra were apart of one semi-independant Kurdish state.
I may be wrong, but back in the Roj bash days you reffered to yourself as Kermashani, but now you seem to prefer the Ilami side, that's what i meant. Of course i can't be too sure, but that's just the impression i got.

I also have a question regarding Kermashan, since i've never been there: How large is the population of persians and brainwashed kurds in the city? Would it be realistic to put a claim on it?
I am confused by God's wisdom:
In this world of States
Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed,
What for have they all become fugitives, condemned?


Ahmad Khani

Feed the hungry and visit a sick person
And free the captive
If he be unjustly confined
Assist any person oppressed
Whether Muslim or non-Muslim


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Jan 20 13, 7:30
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I may be wrong, but back in the Roj bash days you reffered to yourself as Kermashani, but now you seem to prefer the Ilami side, that's what i meant. Of course i can't be too sure, but that's just the impression i got.

I also have a question regarding Kermashan, since i've never been there: How large is the population of persians and brainwashed kurds in the city? Would it be realistic to put a claim on it?
I always said i have family in kirmanshan, but not a kirmanshani.

Well Kirmanshan is a big city, it's hard to tell how many persians or persianized kurds there are. But i remember i saw alot of persians who owned shops and were wealthy.
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Jan 20 13, 9:39
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I always said i have family in kirmanshan, but not a kirmanshani.

Well Kirmanshan is a big city, it's hard to tell how many persians or persianized kurds there are. But i remember i saw alot of persians who owned shops and were wealthy.
The idea of persians living on our lands, makes me sick, i would seriously prefer turks living on it.

I guess we can only hope, for Kermashani's to rise after the kurdish uprising in Eastern Kurdistan, not much else can be done, considering the regime will do everything, to keep the population brainwashed.

And i forget to say it: Ilam is a beautiful province :)
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I am confused by God's wisdom:
In this world of States
Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed,
What for have they all become fugitives, condemned?


Ahmad Khani

Feed the hungry and visit a sick person
And free the captive
If he be unjustly confined
Assist any person oppressed
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I am confused by God's wisdom:
In this world of States
Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed,
What for have they all become fugitives, condemned?


Ahmad Khani

Feed the hungry and visit a sick person
And free the captive
If he be unjustly confined
Assist any person oppressed
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Nice pictures, Great city.
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Jan 21 13, 1:46
Nice pictures, Great city.
Thank you, but that "city" is a small town lol. Our cities in comparison to cities in SK are so small. It is like one whole tribe moving in. :P
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Yeah and you ate right about mandala it needs to re unite with Ilam which is more achievable than it been connected to SK mainland
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Ilam city. It looks quite nice :)

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In this world of States
Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed,
What for have they all become fugitives, condemned?


Ahmad Khani

Feed the hungry and visit a sick person
And free the captive
If he be unjustly confined
Assist any person oppressed
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Jan 26 13, 9:09
Ilam city. It looks quite nice :)

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You sure that is Ilam city heval? Strange because when I was there it felt much smaller, the city just seemed like one big village. But yeh probably from birds eye view it is different.
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Jan 26 13, 9:16
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Ilam city. It looks quite nice :)

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You sure that is Ilam city heval? Strange because when I was there it felt much smaller, the city just seemed like one big village. But yeh probably from birds eye view it is different.
I found the picture on some Iranian site. i've compared it to some other pictures of the city, and it seems to be the same.
I am confused by God's wisdom:
In this world of States
Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed,
What for have they all become fugitives, condemned?


Ahmad Khani

Feed the hungry and visit a sick person
And free the captive
If he be unjustly confined
Assist any person oppressed
Whether Muslim or non-Muslim


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Jan 26 13, 9:32
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I found the picture on some Iranian site. i've compared it to some other pictures of the city, and it seems to be the same.
I see, but I prefer rural areas/ :P I like the calm.
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Jan 26 13, 9:34
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I see, but I prefer rural areas/ :P I like the calm.
Trust me, i like the calm places too, i will always prefer building a house in the beautiful Kurdish nature. However life close to the city is also alot easier than out in the middle of nowhere.
I am confused by God's wisdom:
In this world of States
Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed,
What for have they all become fugitives, condemned?


Ahmad Khani

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And free the captive
If he be unjustly confined
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Trust me, i like the calm places too, i will always prefer building a house in the beautiful Kurdish nature. However life close to the city is also alot easier than out in the middle of nowhere.
Buildings ruin and destroy nature heval. Village life or rural life isn't that hard, it is only a matter of setting up and being able to farm crops, aswell as have a few cattle.
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Buildings ruin and destroy nature heval. Village life or rural life isn't that hard, it is only a matter of setting up and being able to farm crops, aswell as have a few cattle.
You know both of my parents spend their childhood as villagers during Saddam's time. Ever since i can remember, they have told me stories of how wonderful the village life was. However there we're also bad sides. Sometimes when they we're sleeping, they would suddently wake up to find a rat or snake in the room. They always crawled through the walls.

Now most of my mom's side moved to a city, and my father's village turned into another city.
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I am confused by God's wisdom:
In this world of States
Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed,
What for have they all become fugitives, condemned?


Ahmad Khani

Feed the hungry and visit a sick person
And free the captive
If he be unjustly confined
Assist any person oppressed
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- Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH)


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How gorgeous ! xD
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Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Why its so bloody beautiful?

Well, i like rats and snakes, so for me its ok. I have another problem. SPIDERS. I prefer to face the entire turkish terrorists army than one spider - at least i am able to fight with turks not to run away screaming haha
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JJ, do you remember when you said that central eastern and north eastern Kurdistan tend to have so called 'persian' influence in their music(bullshit, the most disrespectful thing about kurdish music I've ever heard) and that only you faylees used, how shall we say 'pure kurdish music'. Well if you go to 5.50 in the video you'll see "persian influence" as you say in the performance.
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JJ, do you remember when you said that central eastern and north eastern Kurdistan tend to have so called 'persian' influence in their music(bullshit, the most disrespectful thing about kurdish music I've ever heard) and that only you faylees used, how shall we say 'pure kurdish music'. Well if you go to 5.50 in the video you'll see "persian influence" as you say in the performance.
It has some Persian influence. I can hear it.
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