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ILAM - EASTERN KURDISTAN; Pahli/fayli ancestral homeland
Topic Started: Jan 19 13, 9:19 (18,763 Views)
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Dewran
Mar 20 13, 3:52
End these discussions on who is more Kurdish than others. Also everyone should stop accusing other Kurds of being Persian, Turks or whatever. What will you achieve, but more heated argumentation?

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Because last time I checked the Kurds from Ilam are the Kurds who never moved out of Media proper, we didn't migrate out and mix with caucasian tribes(Hurrians) like other Kurds, so spare me on who is more Kurdish.
How about your tribe haven't done shizz.


I see. Northern and Western Kurds are less Kurdish than other Kurds. Nice!
LMAO rofl

Some kids here are really delusional .

I'm not goin' that low to say something nasty like that about the Southeastern Kurds.

How many Kurds from Elam are there and do they consider themselves as Kurds at all? There're at least 35 million Northern Kurds, true ARYAN Kurmanji full-blooded Medes!
The biggest MAJORITY of real, true and pure Kurds are from the North. There ain't no disgusting subhuman monkey Arabs in the North.

All what I want to say is that Persians that live around Elam are heavily mixed with the Arabs and Dravidoid Elamites, the name 'Ilam' speaks volumes. At least Hurrians ain't no subhuman like Arabs, Assyrians, Persians...
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Xode Shems, some kids here ain't no Kurds, but Azeri or Persian.
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Mar 20 13, 3:52
End these discussions on who is more Kurdish than others. Also everyone should stop accusing other Kurds of being Persian, Turks or whatever. What will you achieve, but more heated argumentation?

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Because last time I checked the Kurds from Ilam are the Kurds who never moved out of Media proper, we didn't migrate out and mix with caucasian tribes(Hurrians) like other Kurds, so spare me on who is more Kurdish.
How about your tribe haven't done shizz.


I see. Northern and Western Kurds are less Kurdish than other Kurds. Nice!
You don't get what I was saying. Im saying he if thinks Kurds in Ilam aren't Kurdish, then I can use the same argument for other Kurds.
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Mar 20 13, 4:11
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Mar 20 13, 3:36

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My village was bombarded in 2011 for sheltering PJAK members and giving them supply. Lorestanis won't even say they are Kurdish, just shows how they worship their Persian leaders.
I was just using that as an example, and there is PJAK in Ilam, so I don't know what your talking about.
And secondly Lorestan Kurdish state isn't the same as modern day lorestanis, because lorestan is 50% Persian today. And all Lori Kurds consider themselves Kurdish, because they are jsut a tribe within the fayli confederecy.
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You just don't get it. If Northern Kurds aint no Kurds than NOBODY is a Kurd. Northern Kurds & North Kurdistan are the biggest part of Kurds and Kurdistan (and for me the most important one)! I don’t care what other believe but Amed is the true and only capital of Kurdistan.
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Mar 20 13, 5:51
Dewran
Mar 20 13, 3:52
End these discussions on who is more Kurdish than others. Also everyone should stop accusing other Kurds of being Persian, Turks or whatever. What will you achieve, but more heated argumentation?


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LMAO rofl

Some kids here are really delusional .

I'm not goin' that low to say something nasty like that about the Southeastern Kurds.

How many Kurds from Elam are there and do they consider themselves as Kurds at all? There're at least 35 million Northern Kurds, true ARYAN Kurmanji full-blooded Medes!
The biggest MAJORITY of real, true and pure Kurds are from the North. There ain't no disgusting subhuman monkey Arabs in the North.

All what I want to say is that Persians that live around Elam are heavily mixed with the Arabs and Dravidoid Elamites, the name 'Ilam' speaks volumes. At least Hurrians ain't no subhuman like Arabs, Assyrians, Persians...
How can you call me a "kid", when you are barely a adult yourself who talks about Aryan supremacy, aryans being from middle-east and kurds being pure aryans.


And yes all Ilamis consider themselves Kurdish, they are all Kurdish and from Falyi clan. But name me which ones don't. Because he said Ilami music is persian and I disproved him.
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jjmuneer
Mar 20 13, 6:31
Dewran
Mar 20 13, 3:52
End these discussions on who is more Kurdish than others. Also everyone should stop accusing other Kurds of being Persian, Turks or whatever. What will you achieve, but more heated argumentation?


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You don't get what I was saying. Im saying he if thinks Kurds in Ilam aren't Kurdish, then I can use the same argument for other Kurds.
I know what you were trying to say, but you do not see the depth of your own argument. Basically, you're saying that the 5% of all Kurds are more Kurdish than the rest of the Kurds. I'm just saying, don't use these kind of arguments to try to win a debate, because your argument does not "attack" him, but every Kurd, that isn't "proper Iranic" or whatever.

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I don’t understand music, but to be honest I do agree with him a little bit. (Southeast) Kurdish Music is very similar to pure Persian music, because the Medes and ancient Persians were almost the same. Maybe Persians stole it from us, Kurds, but that’s a different story.
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Mar 20 13, 6:39
You just don't get it. If Northern Kurds aint no Kurds than NOBODY is a Kurd. Northern Kurds & North Kurdistan are the biggest part of Kurds and Kurdistan (and for me the most important one)! I don’t care what other believe but Amed is the true and only capital of Kurdistan.
My god man I never said Northern Kurds aren't real Kurds. I was using that as a hypothetical example, do you even understand what that means?

And what do you mean if Northern Kurds aren't Kurds then no one else is Kurds? So Northern Kurds are pure Kurds? And you think if a Kurd isn't Median descended he isn't Kurdish, well reality check because Northern Kurds have a large Hurrian input in their genepool.
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Mar 20 13, 6:44
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I know what you were trying to say, but you do not see the depth of your own argument. Basically, you're saying that the 5% of all Kurds are more Kurdish than the rest of the Kurds. I'm just saying, don't use these kind of arguments to try to win a debate, because your argument does not "attack" him, but every Kurd, that isn't "proper Iranic" or whatever.

I'm not overly-sarcastic, but since Kurds here don't consider Ilamis Kurds, then it's ok because I'm Persian right?
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Everyone, forget this discussion, it's a childish one. Faylis are our brothers.
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Did anyone say that Islamis wasn't Kurdish? I think it is disgraceful if so, but you're writing as if every Kurd on this forum said so. All this started because all of you here accuse each other of being Persian, Arab, Turk etc. This needs to end. I've seen this being said a few times on this forum now, and everytime it ends with who is more or less Kurdish, and you then get people that insults 95% of the whole nation.

I'm just saying, don't use that argument, because I've seen you using it before. Honestly, I don't care much for genetics. For me, our identity is based on culture and language.
Edited by Qandil, Mar 20 13, 7:02.
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Mar 20 13, 6:46
I don’t understand music, but to be honest I do agree with him a little bit. (Southeast) Kurdish Music is very similar to pure Persian music, because the Medes and ancient Persians were almost the same. Maybe Persians stole it from us, Kurds, but that’s a different story.
I really don't understand, just tell me what part of the halparke is Persian?
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Mar 20 13, 7:02
Did anyone say that Islamis wasn't Kurdish? I think it is disgraceful if so, but you're writing as if every Kurd on this forum said so. All this started because all of you here accuse each other of being Persian, Arab, Turk etc. This needs to end. I've seen this being said a few times on this forum now, and everytime it ends with who is more or less Kurdish, and you then get people that insults 95% of the whole nation.

I'm just saying, don't use that argument, because I've seen you using it before. Honestly, I don't care much for genetics. For me, our identity is based on culture and language.
That is not it, I took offense to being called Persian, because my cousin got executed by Saddam for being "Iranian". Whilst everyone here jokes about it like it's something to be taken lightly. I really don't care if other Kurds view Faylis as Kurdish or not, just remember two things. If Faylis don't assoiciate with other Kurds, it's because of the way you act towards them. I know from first hand experience, a prick from SK came on paltalk were Fayli Kurds usually speak and was talking shizz about how "na tu kurd nia, tu araben" So don't lie about how you view Kurds in South-east as equal, but to be honest do and say what you like. I just given up with Kurds on the internet who are protected by a virtual wall.

Good luck with Kurdistan since I'm not a Kurd. kf
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Mar 20 13, 6:51
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Mar 20 13, 6:39
You just don't get it. If Northern Kurds aint no Kurds than NOBODY is a Kurd. Northern Kurds & North Kurdistan are the biggest part of Kurds and Kurdistan (and for me the most important one)! I don’t care what other believe but Amed is the true and only capital of Kurdistan.
My god man I never said Northern Kurds aren't real Kurds. I was using that as a hypothetical example, do you even understand what that means?

And what do you mean if Northern Kurds aren't Kurds then no one else is Kurds? So Northern Kurds are pure Kurds? And you think if a Kurd isn't Median descended he isn't Kurdish, well reality check because Northern Kurds have a large Hurrian input in their genepool.
Genetically all Kurds are almost the same. Doesn’t matter you’re from north, west, south or east. If you check DNA of an average Kurd you will know that he's Kurdish.

The Medes lived in all parts of Kurdistan, and not only in Southeast Kurdistan.

The majority of Kurds are from Northern Kurdistan. If northern Kurds aint no Kurds than nobody is, then Kurdish nation doesn’t exist at all. If Northern Kurds aint no Kurds then Feyilis aint no Kurds but just Iranic tribes that call themselves Feyli?
If Northern Kurds (ARYAN tribes) aint no Kurds than folks that live in the 'Ilam' province are non-Kurdish Iranic speaking tribes.


I do LOVE Hurrians. I like Georgians VERY much. If I wasn't born as a Kurd, I would love to be born as a Georgian (or a Jew).
But, I'm a Kurd (Iranic) and not a Hurrian. All my ancestors are Kurdish with Kurdish as their native languages.

Georgians are Hurrians, Chechens are Hurrians, Dagestanians are Hurrians, Adygeans (Cricessians) are Hurrians. All these folks speak a Hurrian language!

I'm not a Georgian, Chechen etc. I'm a Kurmanji Kurd, son of the Medes. My native language is Aryan not Hurrian, my native religion is Aryan etc. period.
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Mar 20 13, 7:03
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Mar 20 13, 6:46
I don’t understand music, but to be honest I do agree with him a little bit. (Southeast) Kurdish Music is very similar to pure Persian music, because the Medes and ancient Persians were almost the same. Maybe Persians stole it from us, Kurds, but that’s a different story.
I really don't understand, just tell me what part of the halparke is Persian?
I don't know man. I don't understand music.

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Kurdish rhythm and beats from this Kurdish instrument sound very similar to Persian rhythm and beats.
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And that's why I think it is stupid to accuse other Kurds to Persians, Turks etc. I think the mods should start deleting posts like that. I'm really sorry for your cousin. Seriously people, out of all arguments you can use, you accuse each other of a silly thing like that... Shameful.

I think you and Dlovan should get on better terms again. Take it over PM and solve this dispute between the two of you.

I have seen it on the internet as well. I don't know why certian Kurds feel this way. It's a sad thing and this thought should be eradicated. But I really believe that these people are a minority, and their opinion has no real affect in real life. You should just ignore them.
Edited by Qandil, Mar 20 13, 7:23.
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Mar 20 13, 7:23
I don't say all Illamis kurds are like this, but most are indifferent towards and independant kurdistan.
You just don't know when to be quiet, do you? The discussion had ended. We were trying to forget this discussion, and you came in here and fuelling it by this retarded comment. I know, I'm very disrespectful right now, especially as you're older than me, but seriously dude, have some decency.
Edited by Qandil, Mar 20 13, 7:27.
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Mar 20 13, 7:29
If they are not like this show me some proof and I apologize, but thats the truth like it or not.
Oh ffs. Just for the love of God, stop. You're just making it worse than it already is...
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all Kurds are equally Kurdish there is no less or more Kurd than another.

dlovan: please don't call feylis Persian lovers this ain't true.

jj: Hassan Zirak is Sorani not that it matters but you were wrong about his dialect.

to get back on the topic here is a pic of Ilam xD
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Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Nice picture heval.

Alan are you sure his a Sorani? Wait so he was a Sorani but he moved to Kirmanshan and sang in Feyli? But Kirmanshan isn't feyli, it is kheluri, they are more Sorani. But yes there are minority of Feylis living in Muhafidatz quarters.

I would like to share this quote about Ilam:
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the northern part of Lorestan, formerly known as Lesser Lorestan ("Lur-e-Kuchik"), live the Faylis, divided into the Pishkuh Lurs in the east and Pushtkuh Lurs in the adjoining i-racki territory in the west.

Lesser Lorestan maintained its independence under a succession of princes of the Khorshidi dynasty, known as Atabegs, from A.D. 1155 to the beginning of the 17th century. Shah Abbas I then removed the last Atabeg, Shah Verdi Khan, and entrusted the government of the province to Hossein Khan Shamlu, the chief of the rival tribe of Shamlu, with the title of Vali in exchange for that of Atabeg. The descendants of Hossein Khan retained the title as governors of the Pushtkuh Lurs, to whom only the denomination of Feili now applies.

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Yeah Hassan Zirak is 100% Sorani like Mamle :)
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Yeah Hassan Zirak is 100% Sorani like mamle
Hehe I always thought he was Fayli because he looks like my grandfather. :lol:
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