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Turkic dream of the Ottoman Caliphate; muhahahaha
Topic Started: Mar 27 13, 4:35 (25,154 Views)
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By the way Kerdogan is finished. He will not win in the upcoming elections if he doesn't cheat. So in the near future Kerdogan will be history (and a bad dream that’s gone).
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Oct 3 13, 10:13
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Oct 3 13, 3:12

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Do we know each other :)

I run it with the mods
Lol yes we do, at some point we were the only active Kurdish members on Apricity (Me, you and Demhat)
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Oct 4 13, 1:42
Heval, because we Kurds are ARYANS. Our language (mother tongue) is ARYAN. And so, nothing contradicting in my post. Sumerians (and even Hurrians) pre-date the Aryans (proto Kurdic speakers). Sumerians existed thousands years before Aryans invaded Northern India.
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Heval, because we Kurds are ARYANS.


We are not "pure Aryans". We might be the purest ones, but we aren't even close to being pure Aryans.

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Our language (mother tongue) is ARYAN.


So what? Turks speak a Turkic language whereas studies show that they are more Anatolian than Turkic. Infact, I've never seen a case where a Turk has more than 20% Turkic ancestry.

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Sumerians (and even Hurrians) pre-date the Aryans (proto Kurdic speakers). Sumerians existed thousands years before Aryans invaded Northern India.


Irrelevant? Why do you favor the "Aryans" over the Hurrians? You know Sumerian has left traces of it's language in Kurdish too. In fact there's a book written about it where it must show several hundred words, such as

English: Unit
Sumerian: Dana
Kurdish: Dana

English: Mountain
Sumerian: Kur
Kurdish: Kuh

English: Life
Sumerian: Ziana
Kurdish: Jiyan

English: Snake
Sumerian: Mir
Kurdish: Maar

English: Wood
Sumerian: Adar
Kurdish: Daar

English: Nose
Sumerian: Apoo
Kurdish: Kapoo (This is the Kurdish word for nose in areas like Hawler)
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Oct 4 13, 2:46
Irrelevant? Why do you favor the "Aryans" over the Hurrians? You know Sumerian has left traces of it's language in Kurdish too. In fact there's a book written about it where it must show several hundred words, such as

English: Unit
Sumerian: Dana
Kurdish: Dana

English: Mountain
Sumerian: Kur
Kurdish: Kuh

English: Life
Sumerian: Ziana
Kurdish: Jiyan

English: Snake
Sumerian: Mir
Kurdish: Maar

English: Wood
Sumerian: Adar
Kurdish: Daar

English: Nose
Sumerian: Apoo
Kurdish: Kapoo (This is the Kurdish word for nose in areas like Hawler)
Very interesting. Thanks for this reply, Heval.

According to me Sumerians were actually (one of) the ancestors of the Aryans or that Sumerians and proto-Aryans shared the same ancestors! The same with the Hurrians. I believe that the Hurrians were related to the Sumerians or were even the same people only with different names.

So,

Sumerians = proto-Aryans

also Hurrian is maybe just a different pronunciation variant for Aryan. Hurrian = Aryan


We know for sure that the Medes (Umman Manda) were Aryans and those who lived in Kurdistan called themselves Aryans. It's written in history books. And we all know that the Sumerians were ancestors of the Medes...


Kurmanji /Kurds are actually direct descendants of the Medes.
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According to me Sumerians were actually (one of) the ancestors of the Aryans or that Sumerians and proto-Aryans shared the same ancestors! The same with the Hurrians. I believe that the Hurrians were related to the Sumerians or were even the same people only with different names.


I'm not sure about this because Hurrians and Sumerians spoke their own native language except for the Hurrian state of Mitanni, the monarch of Mitanni spoke an Indo-Aryan language.
If you look at it geographically, they might very well be related and Sumerians could have been assimilated into Hurrian (or any other ancestor of the Kurds) society.

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also Hurrian is maybe just a different pronunciation variant for Aryan. Hurrian = Aryan


I don't know what the Hurrians called themselves, most likely it was something similar because we have Kurds that are called Kal-Huri.
However, if you look at the Hungarians, you might think they are Aryan too when infact they are not. In English we call them HungArians however in their own language they call themselves Magyars. There might be a similar case with the Hurrians.

This is what is annoying about history, there is usually no right or wrong answer.

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We know for sure that the Medes (Umman Manda) were Aryans and those who lived in Kurdistan called themselves Aryans. It's written in history books. And we all know that the Sumerians were ancestors of the Medes...


They say that the Aryan race is descended from a man called Matiene who lived around the area called Media (Rojhelati Kurdistan), however I highly doubt that the Sumerians were ancestors of the Medes or Aryans for the following reason:

The Aryans migrated from the steppes into the Near East (so they came from around the area of North East of Iran) whereas the Sumerians are reported to be the non semetic indigenous people of Mesopotamia.

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Kurmanji /Kurds are actually direct descendants of the Medes.


By name, yes but they are no different to a Sorani Kurd or any other Kurd when it comes to ancestry.

Serok Apo has said that the word "Kurd" has Sumerian origins which means "Mountain dweller".


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Matiene = Mitanni (/Kassites) right? Mittani lived in all parts of Kurdistan. They had a superpower empire next to the Hittites in Rojava even a few hundred years before the Median Empire. Mitanni(Kassites)/Matiene became known as the Medes in Rojhelat. But Mitanni, Matiene, Medes, Kassite belonged to the same group of people and descendants of the Sumerians.

Proto-Iranian evolved out of proto-Indo-European. But from which languge group did proto-Indo-European evolved?

Proto-Indo-European peoples were not from the steppes but from West Asia. If we can prove that Sumerians were native to West Asia then that will mean that the Sumerians were closely related to proto-Indo-Europeans. Also, there is another possibility, it's possible that proto-Iranian evolved right after proto-Indo-Europeans came in contact with Sumerian (or Hurrian) type of people.

Sumerians came from or migrated into the Zagros Mountains even thousands of years before the Medes ever existed! This is also exactly the same area where proto-Indo-Europeans came from.

Kurds are direct descendants of the Medes. But the Medes evolved out of the Sumerians. When the Medes existed the Sumerians were already history for thousands of years!
So Sumerians are indirect Kurdish ancestors BECAUSE of the Medes.
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