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Turkey police clash with Istanbul Gezi Park protesters
Topic Started: Jun 1 13, 5:34 (23,532 Views)
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Dewran
Jun 4 13, 12:30
Turks admitting what Kurds has went through:

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This is what Demirtas has to say about it.

https://www.facebook.com/AltanTanSayfasi#!/photo.php?fbid=580750155278465&set=a.212268575459960.54032.211535952199889&type=1&theater
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can you guys translate? what are they saying,and what is Demirtas response?
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Demirtas is simply saying that this riots have turned to a political game of the opposition to destroy the peace talks. Its not about the park anymore and that Kurds should stay out of it.
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Like I said this was just a cover up to blow up peace process and KRG turkey pipeline by Kemalists to corner Kurds of course and the strongest of them all which is KRG itself.
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Insight: Simmering anger at Erdogan's authoritarianism boils over in Turkey

ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Turkey's most violent riots in decades may have been started by the destruction of a small Istanbul park, but they have exploded in a show of defiance at what many see as the creeping authoritarianism of Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan.

In power for more than a decade, Erdogan's Islamist-rooted AK Party has increased its share of the vote in each of the past three elections, ushered in unprecedented political stability and overseen some of the fastest economic growth in Europe.

Now in his last term as prime minister, Erdogan is trying to leave his stamp on Turkey by recasting foreign policy, overhauling the constitution and even transforming the ancient Istanbul skyline.

But some, including former supporters, accuse him of growing increasingly authoritarian, muzzling the media, tightening his AK party's grip on state institutions and putting religion at the centre of politics in violation of Turkey's secular constitution.

"If it were up to the prime minister, I would be wearing a head scarf," said Tugba Bitiktas, a 25-year-old unemployed university graduate, before she joined anti-government protests in central Istanbul late on Saturday.

"All this government worries about is rewarding its own. Those with a different voice are marginalized. That's what I'm protesting," she said, before donning swimming goggles and a surgical mask to stave off the effects of tear gas.

Bitiktas was one of tens of thousands protesting in Istanbul, where more than 1,000 people were hurt in three days of clashes with riot police. Similar protests were staged in the capital Ankara and in cities across the country.

Erdogan accused the main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) of stoking the demonstrations, while other government officials warned the unrest was a plot to set the ground for a military intervention, as has occurred in the past.

But the protesters come from a range of political backgrounds, from environmentalists to nationalists and the hard left-wing.

The ferocity of the protests must have jolted Erdogan, whose party has won the biggest share of Turkish votes in decades and is now said to have his sights on the presidency before his self-imposed three-term limit expires in 2015.

The 59-year-old former Istanbul mayor is campaigning for constitutional change that would give executive powers to the largely ceremonial presidency.

Erdogan has tackled some of Turkey's thorniest problems, including a major peace initiative this year to end a 28-year war with Kurdish militants. He is an important U.S. partner in efforts to end the civil war in Syria, though opinion polls show government policy towards Turkey's neighbor is unpopular.

FROM FOUR TO THOUSANDS

The centre of the protests is Istanbul's Taksim Square and the adjacent Gezi Park, a green patch in Europe's fastest-growing city which dedicates just 1.5 percent of its land to public parks, according to the World Cities Culture Report.

A group of four protesters trying to stop a handful of trees from being cut down for a road-expansion project mushroomed last week into thousands of people, who refashioned Gezi into a festival campsite with concerts, speeches and yoga sessions.

They oppose a plan to pedestrianise Taksim and raze Gezi Park to rebuild a 19th Century Ottoman barracks that once marked the outer limits of the city. In its new form, Erdogan has said the ground floor of the replica barracks could serve as shopping centre or museum, topped with luxury flats.

"When citizens are not consulted about even a park, then that country is not democratic," said Betul Tanbay, professor at Bosphorus University and member of the Taksim Platform that has campaigned for more than year for a project based on consensus.

"This has now gone beyond tunnels and parks into a wider movement. There is a lot of dissatisfaction among a large segment of people," she said.

Taksim is just one of the government's construction projects that include the world's biggest airport, a $3 billion third bridge across the Bosphorus and a $10 billion shipping canal that would turn half of Istanbul into an island.

Aggrandising projects, Erdogan's critics say, distract from more pressing issues in the nation of 76 million.

HISTORY OF PROTEST

Taksim has a particular resonance. While other Istanbul squares embody the grandeur of the Islamic Ottoman Empire, Taksim pays homage to the secular ideals of the republic founded in 1923 after the empire collapsed. More recently, the square was the site of a 1977 massacre of up to 40 leftists during a May Day rally.

"Taksim carries enormous significance for different circles ... To bulldoze Taksim without any real social consensus is to harm an important public space not just for Istanbul, but for all of Turkey," said Eyup Muhcu, head of the Chamber of Architects, in an interview before the protests.


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-06-02/news/sns-rt-us-turkey-protests-insightbre9510dj-20130602_1_taksim-square-central-istanbul-kurdish-militants
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Jun 4 13, 3:12
Like I said this was just a cover up to blow up peace process and KRG turkey pipeline by Kemalists to corner Kurds of course and the strongest of them all which is KRG itself.
The protest were planned. The american and terrorist chp/mhp are behind this. Why did a small protest over 10 trees get so much media cover ? Ans suddenly its chaos and erdogan is blamed. Sure kerdogan is arrogant but he is best option and have wide support. I think the americans with terrorist kemalist planned this to foil pipeline plans and peace process. If this grows and clashes erupts pkk will make alliance with syria and Iran to drive turkish army away and declare autonomy. Kurds can adopt to fail americas big satan plan.
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This can't be good for the Kurds, if Erdogan is toppled then the PKK needs to call the fighters back, because if the facist get in to power then the peace talks are over, and the west will stay silent. And relations with SK will surely be damaged. Thisight strengthen AKP support for Kurds, only if they don't get toppled.
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Even my own dad thinks that these protests are very bad for North Kurdistan and Kurdish case. But I don't agree with him.
First of all ata-terrorist Erdogan had never good intentions for Kurds. No Turco-Mongoloid on this planet wants freedom for Kurds and liberated North Kurdistan

According to me unrest in Turkey is GOOD for (North) Kurdistan. Let those Turks kill each other and let a fascist take power in Turkey and let this new fascist leader lead Turkey more deep into the abyss. It will be a huge disaster for Turkic economy, internationals investors will be more reserved, Turkic influence in South and West Kurdistan will reduce etc.

Turkey is doomed. There is no turning point for liberation of North Kurdistan. No matter what those Turks will do, we Kurds are AWAKEN.
Kurds in South Kurdistan are getting each day stronger and stronger. The Kurdish genie of freedom is out of the bottle.
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nvm
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Jun 4 13, 3:12
Like I said this was just a cover up to blow up peace process and KRG turkey pipeline by Kemalists to corner Kurds of course and the strongest of them all which is KRG itself.
The protest were planned. The american and terrorist chp/mhp are behind this. Why did a small protest over 10 trees get so much media cover ? Ans suddenly its chaos and erdogan is blamed. Sure kerdogan is arrogant but he is best option and have wide support. I think the americans with terrorist kemalist planned this to foil pipeline plans and peace process. If this grows and clashes erupts pkk will make alliance with syria and Iran to drive turkish army away and declare autonomy. Kurds can adopt to fail americas big satan plan.
I have serious doubts about the role of America in this. For Gods sake stop pushing into every friggin incident America, I hate these kind of conspiracy theories. If you hink about what you wrote a second you will realize that this is ridiculous.

So you believe it is in Americas interest to replace in the current situation Erdogan, who is extremely Anti Assad, with CHP, which is constantly barking against the FSA and extremely pro Assad. So basically according to you America wants to install a party which is very supportive towards there own enemy?

I would understand such thoughts if it happened in the Future, after Assad has gone, but now?
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the SUN child
Jun 4 13, 5:29
Even my own dad thinks that these protests are very bad for North Kurdistan and Kurdish case.
he is right. with the kemalists southkurdistan would loose all pipeline and oil contracts with turkey and will become much weaker.

talabani = jash
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Relax, AKP won't leave power, they still have most of Turkey's support. With that being said, some smaller amount of dead Turks killed by other Turks wouldn't hurt :cool:
I am confused by God's wisdom:
In this world of States
Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed,
What for have they all become fugitives, condemned?


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And free the captive
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Burnsss
Jun 4 13, 3:28
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Jun 4 13, 3:12
Like I said this was just a cover up to blow up peace process and KRG turkey pipeline by Kemalists to corner Kurds of course and the strongest of them all which is KRG itself.
The protest were planned. The american and terrorist chp/mhp are behind this. Why did a small protest over 10 trees get so much media cover ? Ans suddenly its chaos and erdogan is blamed. Sure kerdogan is arrogant but he is best option and have wide support. I think the americans with terrorist kemalist planned this to foil pipeline plans and peace process. If this grows and clashes erupts pkk will make alliance with syria and Iran to drive turkish army away and declare autonomy. Kurds can adopt to fail americas big satan plan.
I can't stand America but I don't think that America is behind this. Because Kerdogan is the best whore of America and NATO. They need Kerdogan to fulfill their ideas and plans for the Middle East. With the Kemalists it would be more difficult, if not impossible.
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Jun 4 13, 10:04
Relax, AKP won't leave power, they still have most of Turkey's support. With that being said, some smaller amount of dead Turks killed by other Turks wouldn't hurt :cool:
True. People are getting too anxious. All AKP has to do is lift their alcohol prohibition and promise not to touch Gezi park. Maybe it is all a game by AKP to test the Turkish public and their lines.
'' Don't touch me doctor! My death is necessary for the Kurds to wake up''
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RawandKurdistani
Jun 4 13, 10:04
Relax, AKP won't leave power, they still have most of Turkey's support.
jes, i dont suppose that, just a train of thought what could happen by next elections
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Jun 4 13, 12:30
Turks admitting what Kurds has went through:

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https://www.facebook.com/AltanTanSayfasi#!/photo.php?fbid=580750155278465&set=a.212268575459960.54032.211535952199889&type=1&theater

Dewran: heval, when you post an article or a pic with captions in "turkish" make sure you give a brief translation of it as well. I remember once you said "it is annoying when SK articles are written in Sorani Kurdish" well now imagine how we SKis feel seeing "turkish" writing on this Kurdish forum!?

Supas heval
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Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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I have a feeling this is to disrupt the KRG-turkey pipelines by USA who oppose the idea announcingly!!

did anyone see how a reporter once asked Hawrami "how confident KRG is in fulfiulling this pipeline? if AKP goes what guarantee you guys have to use turkish soil to sell your oil?" she actually asked this so its a likely scenario also by USA..
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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No, Turkey will loose hundreds of billions of USD and won't allow a break up of the plans.
Turkey is getting US aid, they are only surviving because the US gives Turkey billions every year. If Turkey makes an oil-pipeline, than they won't need the US aid anymore, meaning that they won't be dependant on US aid and will have more freedom. US probably wants to sabotage these plans, but AKP is too big and maybe the Kurds could even unite with them in case the Turkish fascists try to disrupt the plan. The AKP alone is the biggest party, but with the Kurds, they will be undefeatable for decades. I am not saying that the Kurds should do this, but in case the fascists try to disrupt the peace process etc., the Kurds should join them to sabotage the fascists plans.
biji kurd u kurdistan !!
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Jun 4 13, 1:54
Dewran: heval, when you post an article or a pic with captions in "turkish" make sure you give a brief translation of it as well. I remember once you said "it is annoying when SK articles are written in Sorani Kurdish" well now imagine how we SKis feel seeing "turkish" writing on this Kurdish forum!?

Supas heval
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I don't even know Turkish well, but I will use Google Translate now and with my own knowledge try to make the sentences readable. Don't expect 100% accurate translations. Anyway, I think you're taking this too far, all they're saying is that really feel our pain now and that they're are sorry.

First Tweet:

"Friends, I really apologize to you all. So many years we have watched the Kurdish problem on the media. We have been öküzlüğümüz (I can't find the translation of that word). Sorry"

Second Tweet:

"In these 4-5 days, I have been embarrassed with fascism. They did this to us, what could they have done against our Kurdish brothers? I woke up too late."

Third Tweet:

"For 30 years, I have listened to the problems of our Kurdish brothers on the media. Because of that I'm ashamed of my self."

Fourth Tweet:

"I understand what suffering our Kurdish brothers went through."

Fifth Tweet:

"We have for so many years followed the agenda of this "sell-out" media." (I don't understand the last sentence.)

Sixth Tweet:

"We have all understood what the media has offered us; 30-odd years in southeast, this media is presenting the Kurdish issue..." (I didn't fully understand this sentence, as I said, my Turkish is very weak)
"Kurdino! Bibin yek; eger hûn nebin yek, hûn ê herin yek bi yek." - Cigerxwîn.
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Maybe this is a game by AKP. To get the public understand the Kurdish issue. Many Turks has indeed woken up and they understand how the media manipulates. Maybe now AKP can pass pro-Kurdish reforms and not expect a huge public outcry. Just a guess. xD
"Kurdino! Bibin yek; eger hûn nebin yek, hûn ê herin yek bi yek." - Cigerxwîn.
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My only hope with Kurdish peace and rights lies in AKP, AKP is a wolf yes but the others are monsters
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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I believe that through AKP the USA will try to mend its ties with the Kurdish people in NK and PKK. It can not directly go out and say '' we want better ties with PKK and its supporters'' as it has opposed them for 30 years. Through AKP the USA wants to have better influence in NK and WK and also still remain its good ties with KRG. Especially given that they have lost control of the CHP/MHP hardliners whom they supported for 80 years and these people constitute a somehow big enough threat to create instability as we have seen.
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Seems like Dersim is now part of the protests:

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Also, it has been reported that a police tank has been burnt down by the protestors.
"Kurdino! Bibin yek; eger hûn nebin yek, hûn ê herin yek bi yek." - Cigerxwîn.
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@Tevger you have exactly the same thoughts as I.
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@Dewran a few hundred individuals, probably some of the CHP/Kilicdaroglu supporters.
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