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South Kurdistan oil & gas development
Topic Started: Nov 17 12, 1:25 (649,179 Views)
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report on Kerkûk oil news

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHT6XMKv2CU
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3sKLC4WuDs
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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i expect KRG to rethink putting up iraqi flag in SK after been fully independent from chaotic iraq and their 10% of the budget they use to give us :)
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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It has been mentioned on a few occasions that KRG is making use of the 46" pipe in the dual Kirkuk-Ceyhan pipeline consisting of a 40" and 46" inch pipe, as for instance described here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerkûk%E2%80%93Ceyhan_Oil_Pipeline which has been more or less abandoned since the 90's.

However the mention of the possible use of the 46" pipe is often ommitted in media and other areas of discussion concerning the KRG linkage to the Kirkuk-Ceyhan pipeline. As a matter of curiosity I am wondering whether there are any good sources confirming that it is the case and that the required maintenance and repairs have been carried out allowing KRG to make use of this pipe?

The general media assumption, and hence the general public conception, seems to be that KRG is making use of the same transport pipe by a tie-in as Baghdad is currently using to transport it's crude, i.e. the 40" pipe. And if the case is that KRG is in fact using the renovated 46" pipe it would be desirable to bring clarity to this as it changes a great lot on how to interpret the media coverage on the matter.

Anyone that has any good reliable sources on the subject?

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South Kurdistan reiterates objection to BP's Kerkûk oil deal

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(Reuters) - South Kurdistan reiterated its objection to a deal between BP and the central government to develop the northern Kerkûk oilfield, a day after the local governor, a Kurd, voiced full support for the British company's plans.

Kerkûk lies on the disputed boundary between the autonomous South Kurdistan and the rest of Iraq, and is at the heart of a dispute between Baghdad and the region over territory and resources.

The Kurdistan Regional Government's (KRG) difference with the Kerkûk governor's stance on the BP deal also points to tensions within the autonomous region over how to manage resources.

Baghdad signed a contract in early September for BP to revive the giant oilfield, allowing the company to negotiate access to significant reserves in the north in return for helping to arrest a huge decline in output.

At that time, the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) rejected the deal.

On Wednesday, BP chief executive Bob Dudley and Iraqi Oil Minister Abdul Kareem Luaibi traveled to Kerkûk and met the city's governor, who voiced his "complete support".

But a spokesman for Kurdistan's Ministry of Natural Resources (MNR) said on Thursday it continued to oppose the deal and would neither facilitate nor assist any work or security for BP until the KRG was engaged as an equal partner.

"The KRG has to date not been consulted on this matter and we regard the agreement that BP has allegedly signed with the federal government as unconstitutional, and therefore not legally defensible," the spokesman said.

The governor of Kerkûk, Najimeldin Kareem, is a senior member of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), which rules in partnership with the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) -- seen as the main driver behind the region's oil policy.

"The fact that Najimeldin has seen BP and welcomed them to Kerkûk, and MNR has issued a statement saying they were not informed is a clear indication of a rift opening between the Kurdish political parties," said Shwan Zulal, head of the London-based Carduchi Consulting.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/07/us-iraq-oil-bp-kurds-idUSBRE9A61D120131107
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Kak Alan I don't get it. Kurdistan is rejecting the deal between BP and iraq, whereas, Kerkûk's governor has "voiced full support for the British company's plans".

What does that mean?
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Kerkûk will get $5 out of each barrel sold, with this Governor can recruit more police Assish and Peshmerga for Kerkûk and implement more strategic plans, BUT it won't give KRG a share as the city is disputed according to 140 and since Iraq failed at implementing it thus KRG has the right to half shares until such article is fully implemented... Thus KRG will not agree and eventually the Governor will turn down the offer as well..
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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There is no other way Kerkûk has to be split as it's right now both ethnically and militarily South west is arabs and has Iraqi forces the rest is Kurdish and has Kurdish forces and the wealth has to be split in half as well neither side can take 100% no matter who is stronger.
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Gorran's most voted for MP Ali Hama Saleh: "

* The oil pipeline between South Kurdistan and Turkey is a strategic project

* The project can make SK budget $100 billion a year

* National oil company must be established

Worth mentioning he gained 139,000 votes in the last elections 2 months ago which is the highest votes per an MP in SK history to gain such number.

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Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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AlanJ: your post was moved to seniors and its got a reply too :)
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T1W00PNz0A
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Zlatan10
Nov 1 13, 12:57
Have someone a map that show KRG pipeline to turkey?
Here you lazy bugger :P

It starts from Taq Taq field in Suli :)

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Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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KNOC moves to start commercial production of oil with additional discovery in South Kurdistan

DUBAI -- A joint oil exploration project involving South Korea's state-run oil corporation in South Kurdistan has made an additional discovery of oil in the Middle East, significantly increasing the prospective for the possible start of commercial sales in the near future, the company said Sunday.

The additional discovery was made at the Hewlêr minefield region where the Korea National Oil Corp.

(KNOC) and Switzerland's Oryx Petroleum had jointly made their first discovery of some 600 million barrels of oil in an estimated reserve in March.

The KNOC has a 15-percent stake in the exploration minefield with Oryx and South Kurdistan Regional Government each owning 60-percent and 20-percent stakes, respectively.

The KNOC did not release any estimates for the additional discovery, noting a future study may soon offer such a figure.

Still, the company said the minefield may begin yielding 10,000 barrels of oil per day within the first half of next year.

"(The companies) plan to seek an early start to production with about 10,000 barrels per day within the end of the first half of 2014 by completing a formation evaluation and construction of production facilities," Lee Seung-kook, the head of the KNOC's SK office, currently based in Dubai, told reporters.

Along with the Hewlêr project, the KNOC is also taking part in exploration projects in the Bazian and Sangaw South mines, both also in SK region.

Currently, the South Kurdistan is believed to hold nearly 450 million barrels of oil in reserve, about 30 percent of Iraq's total oil reserve and enough to supply South Korea's total consumption for 50 years. (Yonhap News)
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The Brits were the reason why kurds didnt get a state after the fall of the ottoman empire 1921, i hope one day they support the reversing of this unfairness for us

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United Kingdom to send delegate to South Kurdistan regarding Kurdish-Turkish oil agreement

9/11/2013 17:27:00

The historic news surrounding South Kurdistan`s oil to be exported to Turkey has gained worldwide interest, as the news has been welcomed by United Kingdom`s parliament.

Robert Halfon`s, famous member of parliament and UK`s Conservative Party also an old friend of Kurds, proposal shows the bright sides and future hopes regarding the subject; this agreement is sign to the success of diplomatic relations and further indicates the strong relations between the two countries, who had disagreements at a point. The proposal denies the fears that success of Kurdistan in terms of economy will lead to the division of Iraq; it suggests that this will lead to the success of Iraq, as well.

The proposal indicates: “The agreement will allow South Kurdistan to export 2 million barrels to other countries and at least 10 billion cubic meter of gas to Turkey.”

The talks about Kurdish-Turkish oil agreement in UK Parliament came within the Initial Proposal of the Day, a mechanism which allows parliament members to express their opinions regarding a matter, and then have the chance to discuss it with ministers during parliament sessions and later spread it to the media.

The proposal will be agreed upon by other members of the parliament and other friends of Kurds inside UK Parliament in the few next days.

http://pukmedia.com/EN/EN_Direje.aspx?Jimare=15803
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Components of Kerkûk call for increase of Petro-Dollar budget

The different components of Kerkûk are calling for an increase the Petro-Dollar budget of Kerkûk from one dollar per barrel to five dollars.

Rebwar Talabani, the deputy of the Kerkûk Provincial Council told Kerkûk Now “Increasing the Petro-Dollar budget from one dollar to five dollars per barrel is the second amendment of Article 21 of the year 2008 of the provincial elections law and we are waiting for the laws to be implemented in 2014 which can serve the people of Kerkûk.”

In the meantime, Muhammad Khalil al-Jburi, an Arab member of the KPC said “We have demanded that the Council of Ministers and Parliament increase the Petro-Dollar budget of Kerkûk from one dollar per barrel to five dollars.”

“Kerkûk is in need of a massive infrastructure, as Kerkûk exports 70% of the total Iraq oil alone and that is why it deserves a special budget,” he added.

Tahsin Kahiye, a Turkmen member of the KPC stated “We have discussed the increase of the budget of the oil producing provinces in the past, especially Kerkûk Province. It was discussed with the prime minister and eventually a specific budget was decided for the oil producing provinces.”

“Now we are demanding an increase of the budget as it backs the services projects in Kerkûk, and we hope the budget will be increased from one dollar per barrel of oil produced to five dollars,” Kahiye added.

The Petro-Dollar budget was established when the Iraqi government decided to give $1 from each barrel of oil to the province where the oil is extracted.

Salam al-Ansari – Kerkûk Now

Read more: http://kirkuknow.com/english/index.php/2013/11/components-of-kirkuk-call-for-increase-of-petro-dollar-budget/#ixzz2kLBd14JY
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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British Parliament Member Robert Halfon hails energy agreement between the KRG and Turkey

“The historic news that the South Kurdistan and its neighbor, Turkey, have concluded a comprehensive agreement to build oil and gas pipelines to ship the autonomous region’s rich hydrocarbon reserves to world markets” has been formally welcomed in a motion in the British Parliament.

The Early Day Motion, tabled by Robert Halfon MP – a senior Conservative MP and old friend of the South Kurdistan – “warmly welcomes” the news and cites several positive consequences of the deals.
The motion says that it “could allow the South Kurdistan to export two million barrels per day of oil to world markets and at least 10 billion cubic metres per year of gas to Turkey in a move that will increase the security and diversity of energy supplies.”
It further recognises that this represents “a triumph of diplomacy based on hard-headed self-interest between two places which were once at loggerheads” and adds the hope that “it can underpin a successful peace process between Turkey and its Kurds.”

The motion from Mr Halfon, who is Vice-Chair of the all-party parliamentary group on the South Kurdistan, also addresses the fears expressed by some for KRG-Baghdad relations.

The motion “rejects the unreasonable fear that economic independence for the South Kurdistan of Iraq will lead to the disintegration of Iraq, because the country as a whole will gain from the success of the South Kurdistan, oil will remain the property of the people of Iraq and the proceeds of energy sales will be shared by all according to a much needed and robust revenue sharing formula and a fully-functioning federal system, as outlined in the Iraqi constitution which was approved by the people of Iraq in 2005.”

Mr Halfon’s Early Day Motion was tabled in the immediate wake of the news of the deals between the KRG and Turkey. It will be supported by other parliamentary friends of the South Kurdistan as well as MPs from all parties in the days to come.

The Early Day Motion is a parliamentary mechanism that allows MPs to put opinions on the record and can then be used to raise issues with ministers, in parliamentary questions and debates and to alert the media.

MPs from the all-party parliamentary group, which is sending a delegation to the South Kurdistan this week, then aim to seek a special debate on progress in the South Kurdistan, including this historic news.

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Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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More oil is discovered in Hewlêr block

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A6Q7VSTe8A
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Alanj i told you to be patient on BP in Kerkûk

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Khalid Shwani PUK MP in baghdad: "KRG must participate in the development of the Kerkûk fields according to the constitution without it the deal wont go ahead"

"ئەگەر ئەو رێككەوتننامەیە نەكرابێ دەبێ بكرێت، بەپێی دەستووریش دەبێ حكومەتی هەرێمی كوردستان، حكومەتی ناوەند و حكومەتی خۆجێی ناوچەكە، واتە پارێزگاری كەركووك رێككەوتن و لەیەكگەییشتن لەسەری بكەن"

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A Stronger Kurdistan in the Pipeline

By Ako Mohammed 1 hour ago

In a book I was reading recently a document caught my attention. It dates back to the Kurdish civil war era and is about a conversation between Jalal Talabani, the leader of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), and a delegate from the Iranian Revolutionary Guards (Pasdaran). The two discuss possible ways to export crude oil from the Shiwashok fields in Kurdistan to Iran in order to generate revenues for the PUK-controlled areas.

Given the situation back then, a conversation of this nature is quite normal. Relations those days with the neighboring countries were often based on military and intelligence interests. Moreover, the Kurdish people’s need for survival made many practices normal.

But the situation is completely different today. ExxonMobil and many other oil giants are operating in Kurdistan. As we all know, in less than a month the Kurdistan-Turkey pipeline is to carry Kurdish oil to the outside world. As my friend and Gorran MP Ali Hama Salih says, this is a strategic and historical project, “If kept in honest hands.”

From the era of getting oil buckets we have leapt into the era of pipelines. This is a great opportunity for Kurdistan to play an important economic role. The South Kurdistan sits on 55 billion barrels of oil. This is to say that Kurdistan’s oil reserves are bigger than those of Libya. Reports also indicate that Kurdistan can be one of the world’s major suppliers of natural gas.

Three years ago, a former adviser to the German chancellor told me that the world still does not believe the figures coming out of Kurdistan. That is because the numbers have not been verified. But once they are, Kurdistan will be in a strong position in the world.

Today, Kurdistan is reaching out to the outside world. But because this is not noticed inside Kurdistan, it has made it difficult to take advantage of the economic steps the region is taking to promote its political status.

Domestic issues in Kurdistan, particularly in Sulaimani province, overshadow the oil pipelines and make them seem insignificant.

The pipeline might be seen as just a means to export oil. But to me, it is significant in two aspects: First, it will prevent the smuggling of oil and make oil exportation a national project. Second, it will provide a stronger bargaining chip for Kurdish politicians. As Reuters had pointed out, it will provide economic independence for Kurdistan.

By owning its oil and getting to export 300,000 barrels per day from the Kirkuk oilfields, Kurdistan can prevent Baghdad from imposing difficult and unreasonable conditions on the autonomous region. This would also tell Baghdad that Erbil can no longer ignore Kurdistan’s share of the federal budget, which is expected to reach US$18 billion.

Kurdistan will gain more political strength once the pipelines have become operational. Therefore, political groups must look to the future instead of focusing their attention on petty domestic issues.

For instance, the Change Movement (Gorran) is one of those political parties that has a share in the future of Kurdistan; therefore it has to have a vision and future plans. It should not tie everything to the new government and the provincial administration in Sulaimani. We need a good opposition that can keep the hands honest.

On the other hand, the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) and PUK have to take the views of their members more seriously. The inside voices that call for “letting go of some posts for the sake of stability” must be heard. This means the PUK and KDP should be more generous when negotiating with Gorran and other parties.

http://rudaw.net/english/opinion/13112013#sthash.dniUo0w0.dpuf
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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wouldn't it reach 100 billion dollars?? not 18?? Don't they get 39 billon dollars already?
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Once again, PDK vs PUK, this time over oil of Kerkûk *Dislike reminds me of the civil war over Ibrahim Khalil border only this time there wont be a civil war...

BP causes tension between KDP and PUK in Kirkuk

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Energy giant British Petroleum’s (BP) planned operation in Iraq’s disputed city of Kirkuk has deepened tensions between the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) and the Iraqi central government, as well as exposing the cracks among the two ruling parties in Kurdistan, the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) and the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK).

Last week, BP’s Chief Executive Bob Dudley and Iraqi Oil Minister Abdul Kareem Luaibi visited Kirkuk in KRG to win support in favor of BP.

The project won crucial support from Kirkuk’s governor, Najmadin Kareem, himself a Kurd. 'We will provide complete support for BP to develop Kirkuk’s oilfield because it will generate a significant benefit for the province in relating to petrodollar revenues,” Kareem told reporters.

After BP’s visit to Kirkuk, the Ministry of Natural Resources of the South Kurdistan issued a warning, stating that if the central government does not consult them on the project, they won’t provide security for the oil fields.

A KRG official, talking on condition of anonymity, told BasNews that the project is against the Iraqi constitution, because the constitution does not allow the central government to go alone in energy projects in the disputed regions.

“Kirkuk oil field was a producing oil field at the time of writing the constitution in 2005 and according to article 112 of the constitution, those oil fields developed with the agreement of the central government, KRG and Kirkuk provincial council”, said the Kurdish official. According to article 112, newfound oil fields are not included.

“The BP project has not been done in our knowledge and the British company has not made any contacts with us, even though our door is open for everyone, but no one has nocked on our door,” the official added.

Kurdish expert Shwan Zulal believes that Governor Kareem’s (a senior member of the PUK) strong support for the project, show tensions between the PUK and the KDP in Kirkuk, particularly in terms of energy policies, where the KDP is seen as the leader of the KRG’s energy policies.

“This problem is part of the struggle between the central government and Erbil. There is also a different approach between the PUK and KDP.” Said Shwan Zulal, head of the London-based Carduchi Consulting.

“Obviously these differences are a reflection on both incumbent Kurdish political parties in Kurdistan and a sign that they are not in agreement and willing to show their differences publicly,” Zulal added.

Zulal believes that the Iraqi government should consult Erbil on the BP project.

“Baghdad should consult the KRG for such deal as security in these fields is controlled by the Kurdish Peshmerga and it is a disputed territory. It remains to be seen whether BP can continue and how successful they will be in navigating the politics of Kirkuk,” Concluded Zulal.
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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Hmmm what are PUK doing????
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Well i dont blame them since PDK has taken over oil in SK and PUK is left out..... its all about power my friend..... where is the income of PDK from the oil they control!? exactly...
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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First Talabani sell Kerkok to turkmen and know PUK sell it to iraqi...
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The same now can be said about PDK and turkey relations and allocating PDK votes to Turkmen parties in Hewlêr as well as the oil deals between PDK turkey... And last I checked it was Barzani that got $1 billion from Saudis to forget about Kerkûk there an article and I saw him there on tv back then too... Yes PUK are deeply corrupt and on verge of collapse but at least PUK liberated SK in 1991 that PDK enjoys now so show some respect to them, PUK has done a lot for Kerkûk it liberated it as well in 1991 but US not to upset turks forced them out... And today it's PUK governor that has turned Kerkûk into what we see (see Kerkûk thread) I can't say anything good PDK has done for Kerkûk, maybe by installing the Baathist Dlshad pirot (PDK 1st man in Kerkûk)? Corrupt and hated among Kerkukis
Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time.
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