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| CIA documents acknowledge its role in Iran's 1953 coup | |
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| jjmuneer | Aug 20 13, 8:28 Post #1 |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23762970
LOL this just makes me laugh, they finally admitted to installig the crappy shah, just because Iran nationalised its oil. |
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| RawandKurdistani | Aug 20 13, 11:54 Post #2 |
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Hardly even matters, all Iranian regimes have been Anti-Kurd so far. |
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I am confused by God's wisdom: In this world of States Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed, What for have they all become fugitives, condemned? Ahmad Khani Feed the hungry and visit a sick person And free the captive If he be unjustly confined Assist any person oppressed Whether Muslim or non-Muslim - Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) | |
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| jjmuneer | Aug 21 13, 12:02 Post #3 |
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Actually the democratic Iran in 1951 was the only hope for the Kurds to gain concessions through democratic means. Although Mohammad Mossadeq was still a iranian nationalist. |
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| RawandKurdistani | Aug 21 13, 12:12 Post #4 |
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It would have never happened anyway, those sneaky Persians would corrupt the system just to avoid Kurds gaining anything at all. |
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I am confused by God's wisdom: In this world of States Why have the Kurds remained Stateless, dispossessed, What for have they all become fugitives, condemned? Ahmad Khani Feed the hungry and visit a sick person And free the captive If he be unjustly confined Assist any person oppressed Whether Muslim or non-Muslim - Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) | |
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| ALAN | Aug 21 13, 1:49 Post #5 |
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Azamat: this is the same good reason for KRG not to nationalize its oil yet
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| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| jjmuneer | Aug 21 13, 2:32 Post #6 |
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So you are scared of the USA overthrowing Barzani? That was 50 years ago, to do something like this today would be political suicide. Edited by jjmuneer, Aug 21 13, 2:34.
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| ALAN | Aug 21 13, 3:05 Post #7 |
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They still do heval Egypt's Morssi, or cutting all financial aid to KRG and support a minor party to take over and their other 100 ways of grabbing you by your balls. KRG was actually smart learned from Iran and acted quickly, Iran is now under a massive international embargo for the same exact reason how ever the only difference today is that Iran has built nukes and a powerful army which is something to be reckoned with. KRG is in no status as Iran and I dunno if it ever will be. |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| jjmuneer | Aug 21 13, 3:11 Post #8 |
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It isn't related to them nationalising oil though, it is because Iran want to destroy Israel. There are many countries in the world who have nationalised industries. And what you are saying it is good for the KRG to bend over. I don't care if it is Russia, China or any other country, but I think they should take firm stance. |
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| Worldwar2boy | Aug 21 13, 3:13 Post #9 |
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what does nationalizing oil really mean? What's the difference between not nationalizing it, and nationalizing yet? You do sell it either way, right? |
| biji kurd u kurdistan !! | |
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| Tevger | Aug 21 13, 3:49 Post #10 |
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I must agree though. I am against denationalizing our national ressources. I would much rather prefer nationalizing all of it. But we need a strong KRG in Kurdistan. A strong KRG is better for PKK too. It is either a KRG that looks like Syria/Egypt or a KRG that looks like today. Far from everything is perfect but at the very least it is a KRG that for the most part is loyal to the Kurdish cause. Also in the other parts of Kurdistan. I guess this is an 'under-table' deal between KRG and USA. KRG gets room to strengthen the Kurdish national struggle and at the same time it has to forget all ideas of nationalizing its oil. It is somehow the poison we have to endure in order to have a safe and rich Kurdish area. |
| '' Don't touch me doctor! My death is necessary for the Kurds to wake up'' | |
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| jjmuneer | Aug 21 13, 3:59 Post #11 |
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With nationalizing the supply is controlled completely by the nation itself. The amount in which you wish to reserve and the amount in which you wish to sell and at what price you set. |
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| ALAN | Aug 21 13, 10:01 Post #12 |
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It means: Exxon, Chevron, Total and Gazprom have the expertise and infrastructure ready to work for you and you give a % of the oil they might discover unlike Iran who wants all 100% to itself well they can but now compare KRG to Iran economically and living standards etc... The same happens in gulf states. If it wasn't for Irans military and its Nuke program NATO would attacked a long time ago, but now with the harsh embargo they are squeezing the people in Iran to a point they will just snap and whoo off the mullah regime the next Gov't will have to give a % or the same thing will carry on for Iran. |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| jjmuneer | Aug 21 13, 10:03 Post #13 |
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In a few years we won't really need any "foreign expterise", we Kurds do have specialists who work in this field and we can employ them as government officials in managing the oil industry. |
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| ALAN | Aug 21 13, 10:06 Post #14 |
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We can do so with the newly discovered fields but the ones contracted out are usually for 20+ years and we can not touch even if we have experts etc... |
| Russian Girenak Joseph, who visited Kirkuk in Kurdistan as a part of his tour throu the 1870 - 1873 AD, who published the results of his trip & his studies later in 1879, in the 4th volume in the Bulletin of the Caucasus department of the Royal Geographical Russian Society estimated Kirkuk's population as many as 12-50,000 people, & he emphasized that except 40 Christian families, the rest of the population were Kurds. As for The Turkmen & Arabs, they have not been already existed at the time. | |
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| jjmuneer | Aug 21 13, 10:17 Post #15 |
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Well Alan SK will probably be independant in a few years and we can revert those contracts, now the companies may get annoyed but the actual country will still trade with us. Bu we will wait and see I guess. |
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| Azamat | Aug 21 13, 11:13 Post #16 |
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Your cynical attitude is depressing. Edited by Azamat, Aug 22 13, 5:07.
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